1. Before the tournament started, none of the players knew what the structure was supposed to be. The sheets were not available online, the structure was not published anywhere.

2. The first communication of the structure was the TD telling the whole table that 2 places would pay

3. A significant amount of time passed in between the above and the new communication of a 3-person play structure. "Significant" is obviously an arbitrary measure, but I think that 1.5 hours of play is enough. Had the tourney director said "I think it is 2 pay, but i'm going to check and i'll be back" then came back 20 minutes later to change it to 3, I think I would be going the other way.

However it seems to me that the decision was a firm one, and everyone played for at least 1.5 hours with the 2pay structure in mind, and I think this initial payout decision must stand.

Someone tell me if I have any facts wrong please

I don't know how I feel about this rake situation.

I think the rake is too high for the tournament, and that it looks laughable when it is run so poorly.

However, every player knew the rake before they registered, and some players chose to register, pay the rake, and sit down knowing that the payout structure wasn't in place.

If there are rake complaints it seems to me that its better that we as a community vote with our wallets from the beginning rather than just firing whatever event and expecting to get back the fee if it is run poorly.

I'm pretty torn though

http://www.pokerstars.tv/live/shrpo/

I watched the alpha8 from Africa awhile back. They had 10 players and paid three spots.

The prizepool was 975000.

I couldnt believe they charged players 25000 to have elite pros come to Africa to play a sit n go and create a tv program.

Man, Ike has to be such a good guy to have in your corner. Every time he writes something I just kinda shrug and go, "yea, that seems about right." Not sure if he's supremely logical or incredibly manipulative...

He seems to be incredibly smart and honorable. I pretty much always agree with what he says. He speaks Tha truth

These glorified sit n go's are a joke anyway. Please tell me this 9 player sham doesn't count towards POY and GPI etc..

in this spot its b/ he's right.

and every1 light a candle for the oppressed nosebleed tournament players paying 1/4 of the rake evry1 else pays.

It doesn't count for BLUFF or CardPlayer POY and won't count for GPI either.

Why is publishing a payout % sheet based on # of entries, as well as blind progression sheet IN ADVANCE of a tournament starting not only common sense good business practice, but also a Gaming Commission Rule ?

Seems very sketchy to be deciding these things AFTER players show up, hours into the event.

Seems like most tournaments do provide this information up front, but clearly not all do.

This should be common business practice.

IKE

FYP

omg ike is sooooooo dreamy

They gave out a lot of comps for the South Africa thing, including hotel, airfare, and a safari. If you count all this stuff at face value, they were paying the players to play.

Of course, if spending a week in SA and going on safari with poker players isn't your idea of a good time... I guess you can see why only 10 people turned up.

What if 10-15 more players registered after the announcement, do they still have to stick to paying two players in your opinion?

I had the brochure for last year's series and they had the payout structures for every tournament in there IIRC. Not sure if there's a brochure at all this year as I haven't been to HHR in a few months.

What do I misrepresent?

With less than a level to go in day 1 we are told that they are paying two places. We bag at 5 people and are told its 3. Scott argues, the TD says his decision is final, everyone but scott leaves. I check twitter and see that they are paying two spots an hour later.


Floor people say stupid **** all the time. Now whatever they say can just change the rules at any time even if they are wrong? Also how do we pay two spots? What is the payout structure? You are just choosing to determine that after the tournament has started? wtf...

There was no brochure this year I am told

Wasn ´t the announcement top two play if the field is under 11 players?!!

Is there a definitive answer on when the 2-person payout was announced? How many players were left when this happened?

Fees "With less than a level to go in day 1"

or Scott

"about halfway through level 1 him and I were asking again"
"About 30 minutes later the floorman returns and says they will be paying 2 spots"

You're not misrepresenting anything. You stated the facts. Again though, why are these stupid events even being held??

if true, this seems really bad

It doesn't.

which is it?

Sounds like Scott Seiver essentially Blackmailed the TD into making the change via treating a Social Media Smear Campaign.

It's Obv Payout #'s change as additional entries......enter.