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11-04-2011 , 09:00 AM
I think it is not ethical

I remember a year when this happened too, and pokerstars closed all HU tables, 3 or 2years ago I think... ?

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here is a link about it, i can't confirm this is legit or not, but if it is, it is not the first time something like this happens

http://www.bankrollboost.com/poker_b...on-milestones/

would be cool if pokerstars makes a statement about this, so maybe in the next one, i 24table HU for teh lulz
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11-04-2011 , 09:01 AM
Wow, just disgusting... This is collusion and abuse of the promotion

IIRC some years ago this promotion gave out x amount of dollar not based on how mch vpp u got? I think they changed that becuase peoepl did stuff like this
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11-04-2011 , 09:01 AM
OP is a donk that should be playing loto if he like bonus whoring that much
OP is a snitch too.
OP is a fool for not thinking that pokerstars will not check that before paying
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11-04-2011 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Papashango
The people defending it were obviously doing the exact same thing.
How exactly were they doing the same thing? What concrete evidence do you have to prove such a factual statement?
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11-04-2011 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by WAtR
The point is that it is not clear that this gives them much of an advantage, if any, over other players who adopt more "legal" approaches. If I time banked on 24 heads up tables in order to fold all 24 tables at around the optimum moment, I don't see how these "colluding" players would have an advantage over me.
Colluding is against the rules and this is clearly colluding or you think that 2 unknowns sit on 24 same tables and just fold to eachother?
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11-04-2011 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyNL
I think it is not ethical

I remember a year when this happened too, and pokerstars closed all HU tables, 3 or 2years ago I think... ?

edit:

here is a link about it, i can't confirm this is legit or not, but if it is, it is not the first time something like this happens

http://www.bankrollboost.com/poker_b...on-milestones/

would be cool if pokerstars makes a statement about this, so maybe in the next one, i 24table HU for teh lulz
just goes to show that PS frowns upon these type of antics and that it was a scummy angle shoot. Now i hope they do something about it.
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11-04-2011 , 09:12 AM
I don't think its right, but half the people are mad because they didn't think of doing it. Its like at the casinos I play sometimes have a drawing at the top of the hour. Theres always some old fart that locks up a seat, then walks around and sits just before the drawing, then when its over they leave again. When money is involved somebody is always gonna try and scam the system
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11-04-2011 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jokko
Colluding is against the rules and this is clearly colluding or you think that 2 unknowns sit on 24 same tables and just fold to eachother?
were they actually on 24 tables? Could they even fold fast enough to make 24 tables worth doing? I think OP was just saying to exaggerate it.

But if they had 10 tables open, and by doing what they were as the 70b mark came around, they are pretty much free rolling pokerstars by not paying rake and cheating people out of it. I think PS should give it to the person who won the 70,000,000,001 hand since they woulda been the 70b hand.
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11-04-2011 , 09:15 AM
i heard it was chiren and his wow crew
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11-04-2011 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisCrocker
were they actually on 24 tables? Could they even fold fast enough to make 24 tables worth doing? I think OP was just saying to exaggerate it.

But if they had 10 tables open, and by doing what they were as the 70b mark came around, they are pretty much free rolling pokerstars by not paying rake and cheating people out of it. I think PS should give it to the person who won the 70,000,000,001 hand since they woulda been the 70b hand.
Stack them, keep the mouse over the fold button and keep clicking. e-z game.
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11-04-2011 , 09:18 AM
cry cry cry

US players had 0% chance to win. DoJ collusion.

If (I probably lean towards "when") pokerstars takes action against this I think it decreases the X billion promotion excitement. People are always going to try to angle-shoot these this. So now it's not a road to X billion, it's the road to some hand near X billion where we decide the players were playing "proper" poker -- like 9 ways all in after the hand is dealt.

What's so much more significant about exactly X billion anyway, it's just another hand. Perhaps they should look at some range of hands around that number and have a vote over which hand was played the best or most standard or take the absolute strongest hand in the range, or something silly like that.

Congrats angle-shooters. Wish it was me.
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11-04-2011 , 09:18 AM
guys i dont know why you think this is such a difficult idea to think of, its just obvious, how can i get more hands, hmmm 24 tables, how can i get even more hands, hmmm folding real quick, oh but what if i used someone else aha
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11-04-2011 , 09:19 AM
a lot of jealousy ITT. I think the whole part of the promotion is to get people to play more tables and hands. They realize that people are trying to hit the hand. Why would someone trying to hit the milestone hand be in trouble for hitting it. I think there are a lot of whiney bitches also ITT
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11-04-2011 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by catuskid
guys i dont know why you think this is such a difficult idea to think of, its just obvious, how can i get more hands, hmmm 24 tables, how can i get even more hands, hmmm folding real quick, oh but what if i used someone else aha
It's the 'used someone else' where the problem is, as it's collusion and against the rules!
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11-04-2011 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicMan
It's the 'used someone else' where the problem is, as it's collusion and against the rules!
So if you are at a table of 6/9 and someone types in the chat hey hurry up so we can hit the milestone and the other people just fold, wouldnt that be colluding to hit the high hand? Would you still have the same regard for colluding?

Last edited by chok1; 11-04-2011 at 09:29 AM.
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11-04-2011 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Monies
Yes but the problem about not having 'specific' rules is that when a situation like this comes up, how and where do you draw the line on what's acceptable and what isn't.

The players in question didn't run any third party software to play for them, they just sat down and folded every hand.

Would you say that other people who were playing 24 tables were cheating? What about the people that joined tables and told people to fold? What about people who timed down until milestone hands were arriving? In a case like this, there needs to be a clear rule as to what is acceptable and what is not.

And personally I do believe that this rule should be added (not being allowed to do this), however it wasn't there [specifically], the players did it, and others could've as well. It would be extremely unreasonable for PokerStars to take the money off the winners.
bro, your arguments ITT are pretty weak.

The rule is vague so that stars can use reasonable judgement in determining whether someone if following the spirit of the promotion, without providing loopholes.

Stars has always shown itself in the past to be very reasonable with these types of situations, generally coming down against the angleshooters/colluders.

I assume that's what will happen here, because the winners weren't playing poker.
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11-04-2011 , 09:24 AM
maybe they're just really nitty.
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11-04-2011 , 09:24 AM
Pokerstarsblog posted the 70th billion hand and later removed the entire page. Interesting. No mention of it on their Facebook page or Twitter account. Usually they have posted stuff by now.
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11-04-2011 , 09:25 AM
Confiscate their money and guarantee it in a freeroll?
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11-04-2011 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chok1
I think the whole part of the promotion is to get people to play more tables and hands.
these people weren't playing more hands. they were playing zero hands.
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11-04-2011 , 09:26 AM
if they let this stand then i'll be gutted because i thought this could be done like years ago.

so next promotion we can all organise teams? is that how it goes?
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11-04-2011 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
these people weren't playing more hands. they were playing zero hands.
OHH then I obviously have a misunderstanding. I cant hear the video and from what I saw it didnt look too suspect.
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11-04-2011 , 09:30 AM
Stars aren't going to pay out imo, they breached the rule and are just going to not pay out and sweep it under the carpet.
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11-04-2011 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by catuskid
guys i dont know why you think this is such a difficult idea to think of, its just obvious, how can i get more hands, hmmm 24 tables, how can i get even more hands, hmmm folding real quick, oh but what if i used someone else aha
no one is saying it was not a difficult idea to think of. people are ranting about if pokerstars will do anything to enforce the goodwill of this promotion as this was obviously a scummy angle shoot.

Everyone knows this was a scummy move. Just some people believe it deserves punishment (taking back the money/not giving it to them if they haven't received it yet) while others do not as this was an error on PS's part.
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11-04-2011 , 09:31 AM
They were just HU nits and finally found a hand that they could actually play.
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