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11-04-2011 , 02:50 PM
doesnt this always happens in those pokerstars billion hands ?
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11-04-2011 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dun
Lets make this simple. What is the spirit of the promo then?

You really think PS put this promo up for the players they were already raking? LOLOL...its to bring in new depositors come on now.
Yes to bring in new depositors to play poker

The promo its not for 2 friends to collude with sole intent of abusing the promotion. I don't know how u don't see that this is clearly cheating the system and yes PS does have rules against this if they choose to confiscate the money, they would have all right to do so (TOS, promo rules) but it seems PS doesn't want anymore bad press.

Its cheating plain and simple.
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11-04-2011 , 02:54 PM
Stars Promotions Terms and Conditions:

8. During the Promotion, strict rules regarding player behaviour will be enforced. PokerStars reserves the right to take action against any player found to be abusing any aspect of the Promotion. Such action includes, but is not limited to, exclusion or suspension from the Promotion or from the Client, and the confiscation of rewards earned as a result of the abuse. The decision on what activity constitutes abuse of the Promotion lies with PokerStars management in its sole discretion.
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11-04-2011 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
Yes to bring in new depositors to play poker

The promo its not for 2 friends to collude with sole intent of abusing the promotion. I don't know how u don't see that this is clearly cheating the system and yes PS does have rules against this if they choose to confiscate the money, they would have all right to do so (TOS, promo rules) but it seems PS doesn't want anymore bad press.

Its cheating plain and simple.
Clearly it's not if Stars decided to let them keep their money and AMEND THE RULES! Why do the rules need ammending you ask?? Because NONE WERE BROKEN!!!!
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11-04-2011 , 03:04 PM
Technically they did break the rules of the promo. (Rule #8, already mentioned in this thread).
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/prom...billion/terms/

It sucks that these two players abused the promo and got rewarded 70k between them for doing so, money that should have went to someone playing normally.

Makes me sad and lose a tiny bit of respect for Stars for not enforcing their rules. But w/e they are obviously still a great site and games will continue as they were.
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11-04-2011 , 03:08 PM
the real question is why were the haters playing poker for $1.47 pots when they shoulda been folding trying to hit the 70k payday ???
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11-04-2011 , 03:08 PM
Because there was no rule that forbids players from folding all hands preflop, even if the sole purpose is to maximize their jackpot equity, they must be awarded the full amount. Stars can't retroactively go "oh yeah you weren't supposed to do that", the best they can do is update the rules.
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11-04-2011 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GLUIPERIG
Because NONE WERE BROKEN!!!!
I disagree

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7. All players participating in the Promotion must abide by all PokerStars rules, as well as the terms of service requirements as listed at /poker/room/tos/, and by PokerStars general tournament rules listed at /poker/tournaments/rules/.

8. During the Promotion, strict rules regarding player behaviour will be enforced. PokerStars reserves the right to take action against any player found to be abusing any aspect of the Promotion. Such action includes, but is not limited to, exclusion or suspension from the Promotion or from the Client, and the confiscation of rewards earned as a result of the abuse. The decision on what activity constitutes abuse of the Promotion lies with PokerStars management in its sole discretion.


13. In the case of disputes in regards to the participation rights, all matters relating to the awarding of the prizes and or the terms and conditions, the final decision lies with PokerStars management. The decision will be binding and shall not be subject to review or appeal by an entrant or any third party.
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/prom...billion/terms/

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5.4. COLLUSION. Collusion between Users by sharing hole cards or by any other methods is strictly forbidden. PokerStars reserves the right, in addition to other measures, to restrict seating and/or to prohibit Users from playing at a particular poker table or in a tournament, including restricting two or more Users from playing together at the same table or in the same tournament. In addition, PokerStars reserves the right to consider any collusion between players (including Users) as a material breach of this Agreement and accordingly PokerStars shall have the right to terminate a User's account if a User engages or attempts to engage in any such activity, regardless of the outcome of such attempt.

5.8. CHIP-DUMPING. Chip-dumping occurs when any User intentionally loses a hand in order to deliberately transfer his chips to another User. Any User who chip-dumps or attempts to chip-dump with any other User while using the Service may be permanently banned from using the Service and their account may be terminated immediately. In such circumstances PokerStars will be under no obligation to refund to you any monies that may be in your PokerStars account at such time.



5.9. FRAUDULENT BEHAVIOR. In the event that PokerStars deems that a User has engaged or attempted to engage in fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest or improper activity while using the Service, including without limitation, engaging in any of the activities set forth in this clause 5 or any other game manipulation, or the making of any fraudulent payment, including without limitation, use of a stolen credit card or fraudulent chargeback or money laundering, PokerStars shall be entitled to take such action as it sees fit, including, but not limited to:
  • immediately blocking a User's access to the Service;
  • terminating a User's account with PokerStars;
  • seizing the funds within a User's account;
  • disclosing such information (including the identity of the User) to financial institutions, relevant authorities and/or any person or entity that has the legal right to such information; and/or
  • taking legal action against a User.
5.2. PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PokerStars for any purpose other than for using the Service. The User must provide full and truthful information in respect of all details and information provided by the User to PokerStars and the User is obligated to update such details in the event of any change thereto. A User may only have one account with PokerStars and shall only use the Service using such single account. Furthermore a User shall not permit another person to use the Service via his account.
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/
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11-04-2011 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
Yes to bring in new depositors to play poker

The promo its not for 2 friends to collude with sole intent of abusing the promotion. I don't know how u don't see that this is clearly cheating the system and yes PS does have rules against this if they choose to confiscate the money, they would have all right to do so (TOS, promo rules) but it seems PS doesn't want anymore bad press.

Its cheating plain and simple.
Wait a minute. The goal was accomplished(getting deposits). The money is on the site. They will play with it. Be it before, during or after the promo it doesn't matter to PS, its there. You don't seem to get this.
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11-04-2011 , 03:12 PM
Very shocked with stars decision I thought of all sites they would have done the right thing (imo) and relied upon the terms, confiscated the money and launched another countdown to idk 70000000777.. etc

Would even give stars a chance to show they do the right thing with all the **** lately with online poker and also generate more rake again XD
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11-04-2011 , 03:12 PM
A couple dudes folding HU for the 70th Billion hand is really worth a video post, lol. Don't worry bout these guys folding, if they win Stars will probably not pay them upon review.

WTF you guys are playing lose with the seizing funds rule. I hope Stars just maybe reminds those guys they won't be paid if they're just folding and happen to win.

This hardly justifies seizing and banning. It'll be interesting to see if Star's caves in to the forum hardliners or stands up to these forum bullies and does the right thing.
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11-04-2011 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dun
Wait a minute. The goal was accomplished(getting deposits). The money is on the site. They will play with it. Be it before, during or after the promo it doesn't matter to PS, its there. You don't seem to get this.
U don't understand the whole point of the promo is to get deposits TO PLAY POKER, having the winners win by not playing poker and cheating the system isn't the spirit of the promo.
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11-04-2011 , 03:15 PM
ok the haters are right, but every tourny that was choped has to be scooped back also, they have been folded around while waiting for mod to get there and chop it up = everyone send all the cash back plz, thx

edit - not to mention scoop all the nice guys cash that waited for a dissconnected player by folding and waiting for him to get back - send now plz, thx
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11-04-2011 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by confirm
the real question is why were the haters playing poker for $1.47 pots when they shoulda been folding trying to hit the 70k payday ???
We have a winner. Obvious play is obvious now and the haters cry foul.

There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
etc.

Cry all you want about rule 8 or whatever. If PokerStars thought a rule was broken they would have taken a different course of action. There is no rule in 8 to break. It just says if PokerStars thinks you abused the promotion the have the right to penalize you.

Collusion -- no it's HU they are not colluding to win any pots from anybody else
Chip Dump -- lol no chips were really exchanged
Fraudulent Behavior -- sounds the same as abuse of promotion

PokerStars did not determine that any of these things occurred. The only thing left is the "spirit of the promotion." cry, cry, cry some more. Next time be smarter.
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11-04-2011 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
U don't understand the whole point of the promo is to get deposits TO PLAY POKER, having the winners win by not playing poker and cheating the system isn't the spirit of the promo.
And what do you think they are doing now? How about everyone else that deposited to try and hit the 70b hand? Everyone is just cashing out now I guess. Just stop and think for a minute, seriously.

* Also, stop speaking of the spirit of the promo, just shows you still think this was a gift from stars. It's an advertising PROMOTION(it wasn't even for you! its to get back old/new deposits)
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11-04-2011 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozzytiger
A couple dudes folding HU for the 70th Billion hand is really worth a video post, lol. Don't worry bout these guys folding, if they win Stars will probably not pay them upon review.

WTF you guys are playing lose with the seizing funds rule. I hope Stars just maybe reminds those guys they won't be paid if they're just folding and happen to win.

This hardly justifies seizing and banning. It'll be interesting to see if Star's caves in to the forum hardliners or stands up to these forum bullies and does the right thing.
slow pony
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11-04-2011 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
U don't understand the whole point of the promo is to get deposits TO PLAY POKER, having the winners win by not playing poker and cheating the system isn't the spirit of the promo.
who doesn't understand the promo?

The point is to generate traffic, news, etc for PokerStars. Mission Accomplished. Show me one person who has abandoned PokerStars for this.
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11-04-2011 , 03:19 PM
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Collusion -- no it's HU they are not colluding to win any pots from anybody else
Just because its a victimless crime doesn't mean u get off the hook
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Chip Dump -- lol no chips were really exchanged
Every hand they dumped to each other so neither would lose money

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Fraudulent Behavior -- sounds the same as abuse of promotion
And u admit they violated rule 8, good.
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11-04-2011 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
Just because its a victimless crime doesn't mean u get off the hook


Every hand they dumped to each other so neither would lose money



And u admit they violated rule 8, good.
You can't have collusion in HU cash game poker.
A chip dump is transferring funds from one account to another.
PokerStars determined they did not abuse the promotion and paid them. Are you really this dense?
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11-04-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Aruj Reis
We have a winner. Obvious play is obvious now and the haters cry foul.

There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
There was no rule broken.
etc.

Cry all you want about rule 8 or whatever. If PokerStars thought a rule was broken they would have taken a different course of action. There is no rule in 8 to break. It just says if PokerStars thinks you abused the promotion the have the right to penalize you.

Collusion -- no it's HU they are not colluding to win any pots from anybody else
Chip Dump -- lol no chips were really exchanged
Fraudulent Behavior -- sounds the same as abuse of promotion

PokerStars did not determine that any of these things occurred. The only thing left is the "spirit of the promotion." cry, cry, cry some more. Next time be smarter.
Its not about crying u donk, dont u get it...
Its bad for the Promotion as an event..
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11-04-2011 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Aruj Reis
You can't have collusion in HU cash game poker.
A chip dump is transferring funds from one account to another.
PokerStars determined they did not abuse the promotion and paid them. Are you really this dense?
just give him 70k and he goes away = he was for sure gonna win it, cant you tell
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11-04-2011 , 03:26 PM
O my gawd, does stars let to keep them the money?

Already knowing how next promo like this is looking.... (if they dont change rules)
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11-04-2011 , 03:27 PM
Be careful what you wish for as far as specific interpretations of very general rules. We've seen some other rooms over the years stand behind very general rules in specific situations and it rarely seems to be a good thing for players.
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11-04-2011 , 03:32 PM
[x] fold pre





my 1st checkbox,how was it ??
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11-04-2011 , 03:33 PM
I don't see how what they did is cheating. It may be unethical but they didn't super use or steal from any other players so it isn't cheating.
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