It was Galfond that made this statement

This is probably the best analogy to use. Although it should be added that it is not always possible for even the best NBA player to adjust to street poker. It is a wee bit more physical/ rougher and there is a different set of rules! But in general NBA players will do well at street poker if they are able to make the appropriate adjustments.

Live is like poker
Online is like poker played on the internet

Liv B, I feel like if you enjoy poker commentary and journalism, this is a pretty crappy thing to say, regardless if it is true or not

online is harder. i've played live and theres so many more factors that make the game easier. drunk people, Problem gamblers, old fish who aren't computer savvy enough to play online.

Need better analogies. I still dont get it.

Online poker is like attacking a target while piloting a drone, while live poker is like taking it out while flying an F16 over the enemy's territory. Very similar but not identical factors are involved; drone pilot has access to more info, but F16 pilots physical presence adds additional considerations.

Compare this cyber-conversation to a live debate.

Here concerns nothing but the intellect. There it becomes a bit more involved.

Making a cup of coffee is like making love to a beautiful woman. It's got to be hot. You've got to take your time. You've got to stir... gently and firmly. You've got to grind your beans until they squeak. And then you put in the milk.

Live is like girl on top

Online is like a 3some between a man, a woman, and a transexual

Does that help?

hanging wallpaper is also very much like making love to a beautiful woman. Clean all the relevant surfaces, spread her out on the table, cover her with paste, and stick her up. Then you clean your brush, light your pipe, stand back and admire your handiwork.

Playing online is illusion in the matrix. Live play is reality in the matrix.

well they do for simple stuff, VPIP/PFR/3bet w/e. But using them like and other elite guys do is not easy, ive tried for a long time and still suck at it.

Not bad.

The deeper statistics are not available at live because 1) you don't play enough hands to get meaningful stats for less common situations 2) it is not reasonable or worthwhile for people to commit this level of statistics to memory.

I think you do have a valid point about physical information. However I am thinking there are two sides to it - you could argue it complicates decisions as you have more information to consider or you could argue it simplifies decisions because if you have a strong read it overrides other information and reduces the need to use inductive reasoning.

The analogy if ****ing **** though, as others mentioned. Its not because I agree or disagree with the claim it is being used to make, but because its such a weak comparison. He has identified one characteristic of the relationship of checkers and chess he thinks is shared with the relationship between live and online poker. A decent metaphor needs to share much more than one characteristic between the things being compared otherwise it would have been clearer and more eloquent to just explicitly state the single characteristic in the first place.

It always plays with my mind a bit when an older lady makes a great bluff and shows it.

They love showing their bluffs.

Sometimes it feels like one of those polite golf claps is in order.

Dumb analogy and I will destroy either of those clowns at checkers.

This is all BS. It's clear to me, and everyone else I've researched, that online poker is a burrito and live poker is a taco.

/thread.

This would only be thread in certain places. Not globally.

old lady showing a bluff knows about her stereotype. Should she show and let you know she knows, or not show and perpetuate the fallacy?

easy game..

It probably comes down to how we define 'game'. The 'game' of live poker involves everything that the 'game' of online poker involves (all of the strategic and mathematically concepts) AND it involves more (all of the physical information that is not present online).

The only way to say that online poker is equally complex as live poker is to say that all of that extra information is not part of the 'game'. So the fact that villain bets $50 is part of the game, but the way he pushes his chips out and his facial expression and how fast he is breathing are not. Then you could say that both games have the same level of complexity.

Live poker may be EASIER to beat because the physical tells give you a better idea of villains range but that would be because humans have evolved to pick up on these things. It makes the GAME more complex, even if our decisions come easier.

Approved.

For those of us that clicked hoping to see Liv B.

In a live game, live players with lots of experience act quickly. Online specialists have a reputation of taking forever to make a move. Why is that? Information overload? Stalling? Showboating?



thanks for the pix but the big one weighs in at 2.5 meg and takes a while to load.