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Official FTP Relaunch Thread (OP updated October 26, 2012) Official FTP Relaunch Thread (OP updated October 26, 2012)

10-13-2012 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHughes
Ive seen a few people now say that we should be lucky for getting our rolls back etc, this is ridiculous logic, i should be lucky that a company took part in fraudulent activity lost my money and now justice has been sought and im getting MY money back, i should be lucky??? this is standard, its my money, i wouldnt expect anything less than getting my cash back.
the company that lost your money no longer exists as the same entity as it once was - please process this
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10-13-2012 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by electrue
If your balance is >$3500 you'll have to verify.
Umm no.

If you want to withdraw you'll have to verify.

That will be the base. They may ask based on other criteria but even if you have $10 and want to withdraw you'll need to verify the ownership of the account.

Don't be surprised if they start out letting everyone play again and then gradually make account verification mandatory after X months.
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10-13-2012 , 09:49 PM
Could someone help me out? I have offered electronic stuff from FTP store in June, and I haven't received them yet, so what gonna happen with them? The price of this things has been dropped for more then 30% maybe more, so the main value of them nowadays is much lower, how FTP will repay me this, in cash, points.. if cash then nowadays price or previous what was 1year ago?
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10-13-2012 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR_1945
Could someone help me out? I have offered electronic stuff from FTP store in June, and I haven't received them yet, so what gonna happen with them? The price of this things has been dropped for more then 30% maybe more, so the main value of them nowadays is much lower, how FTP will repay me this, in cash, points.. if cash then nowadays price or previous what was 1year ago?
7. Will there be refunds of FTP points spend on purchases, that never arrived?

- That's definitely the plan, yes.
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10-13-2012 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mjw006
Why are we so concerned about rakeback % at this time. Let them get up on their feet, that should be #1 priority at this stage and will benefit everyone in the poker community... I'm sure there will be management decisions made down the track and promotions that will benefit the player base once they can afford it.

Quit quabbling over such a minor detail, focus on adding some % roi to your poker skills.
I agree. It's tiring to watch everyone complain about rake back when they are getting FREE money back. Yes it's free. The people who stole ur money are not part of the new FTP. Stars mgmt owe you nothing, yet they are paying ppl back with no stipulations. Take yourself back 8 months in time, would you remotely consider yourself to be complaining about rakeback?

To all the disgruntled ppl ITT, just take ur money and play where you've been playing for the past year. Stop whining like lil btches, as if the world owes you something. When gas stations up the price of gas, I'm sure you don't go to these lengths to complain. But b/c this the Internet, all of you cry like its going out of style.
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10-14-2012 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHughes
Ive seen a few people now say that we should be lucky for getting our rolls back etc, this is ridiculous logic, i should be lucky that a company took part in fraudulent activity lost my money and now justice has been sought and im getting MY money back, i should be lucky??? this is standard, its my money, i wouldnt expect anything less than getting my cash back.
So if some crackhead breaks into your home and steals all of your prized possessions your just going to sit back and say "the police will find them and I'll get all of my gear back because that is justice and I expect nothing less."

Don't hold your breath!
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10-14-2012 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ankimo
I agree. It's tiring to watch everyone complain about rake back when they are getting FREE money back. Yes it's free. The people who stole ur money are not part of the new FTP. Stars mgmt owe you nothing, yet they are paying ppl back with no stipulations. Take yourself back 8 months in time, would you remotely consider yourself to be complaining about rakeback?

To all the disgruntled ppl ITT, just take ur money and play where you've been playing for the past year. Stop whining like lil btches, as if the world owes you something. When gas stations up the price of gas, I'm sure you don't go to these lengths to complain. But b/c this the Internet, all of you cry like its going out of style.
Stars are not repaying people out of the goodness of their heart, they are repaying people because the DoJ will not let them operate FTP if they do not. So peddling this nonsense that they don't have to repay people is wrong - if they want FTP they actually do have to repay people. By purchasing FTP Stars management do owe FTP players their full account balances as a condition of purchase.

Are we unhappy Stars purchased FTP? No, of course not. It appears to be a win for them and a win for us. However players benefits were not their purpose for buying, this would have been entirely for their own commercial interest, player repayments just happened to be a good side effect for us. The other side to this is that we also have our own commercial interests at stake. Can they coincide with Stars interests? Of course, however as players our primary concern is our own profit and if Stars benefits that is a nice side effect, not the reason we play. Does Stars owe us something? Of course not. However we also owe Stars nothing too.
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10-14-2012 , 03:24 AM
The bitching about rakeback is forumspeak for "Kind sirs at Pokerstars, I respectfully ask you to kindly reconsider your rakeback changes. The toal compensation offered by the effective rakeback received (or the amount of total rake charged) is not likely to secure my future business with your company".

It is forward looking, it is a statement about our future plans.

It is completely seperate from: "tytytytytytytyty for giving our money back"

The players do not owe FTP loyalty for giving the money back, they do not owe PS loyalty for the money back. Whether to play on FTP or not will be a decission based on the environment provided: this includes software, liquidity, player pool and of course the VIP programme. If the VIP programme now is drastically worse than expected it is absolutely understandable, necesarry and GOOD that people voice their complaints (the tone could be less harsh, but hey if you do not like the tone you can always post on pocket fives...).

Saying "just be happy with what you get" is a legitimate view on life but realy does not add to the discussion...

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10-14-2012 , 03:50 AM
It will be interesting to see the liquidity on the site. I'd imagine that a large % of players will remove their bankrolls from the tables after everything that has happened. I feel like this will help the general online poker situation and increase volume on other sites, but I'm not sure of how many people will just instantly trust FTP, even if its being run by Pokerstars.
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10-14-2012 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by denks
Stars are not repaying people out of the goodness of their heart, they are repaying people because the DoJ will not let them operate FTP if they do not. So peddling this nonsense that they don't have to repay people is wrong - if they want FTP they actually do have to repay people. By purchasing FTP Stars management do owe FTP players their full account balances as a condition of purchase.

Are we unhappy Stars purchased FTP? No, of course not. It appears to be a win for them and a win for us. However players benefits were not their purpose for buying, this would have been entirely for their own commercial interest, player repayments just happened to be a good side effect for us. The other side to this is that we also have our own commercial interests at stake. Can they coincide with Stars interests? Of course, however as players our primary concern is our own profit and if Stars benefits that is a nice side effect, not the reason we play. Does Stars owe us something? Of course not. However we also owe Stars nothing too.
Did it occur to you that Stars could have just sat on the sidelines, operated their majority market share and watched FTP rot in the courts? Paying back the stolen funds from FTP owners is going to be a big outlay of cash for Stars (something they did not *have* to do). Do you really not see it being even a bit of a fair compromise for them to adjust the VIP program?

Given the choice of Stars changing the rake back or not buying FTP and letting your rolls rot, what would you choose?

And let's all admit the truth, all of you claiming you won't play there. Lolwat. Look at all the people who still played at AP, UB and Cake. FTP2 is going to run by reputable management with a good brand. Regardless of what sacrifice you make in lost rake back, the majority of people *will* play there.
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10-14-2012 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ankimo
Did it occur to you that Stars could have just sat on the sidelines, operated their majority market share and watched FTP rot in the courts? Paying back the stolen funds from FTP owners is going to be a big outlay of cash for Stars (something they did not *have* to do). Do you really not see it being even a bit of a fair compromise for them to adjust the VIP program?

Given the choice of Stars changing the rake back or not buying FTP and letting your rolls rot, what would you choose?

And let's all admit the truth, all of you claiming you won't play there. Lolwat. Look at all the people who still played at AP, UB and Cake. FTP2 is going to run by reputable management with a good brand. Regardless of what sacrifice you make in lost rake back, the majority of people *will* play there.
Your third paragraph is a very fair point, legitimacy and reliability are very sound reasons to play at a poker room.

The first two paragraphs are besides the point; PS bought FTP as a business decission, yes we are happy about getting our money back, maybe they need to tweak the VIP system to make the numbers work BUT that is not relevant for the players decission to play there or not. If the offer is not good enough people will play elsewhere and just withdraw the money.
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10-14-2012 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Eldorian
Saying "just be happy with what you get" is a legitimate view on life but realy does not add to the discussion...
Yeah but until someone comes up with an idea that makes more sense to management (ie makes them more money) its not helping the discussion either.

Everyone complaining needs to try and come up with an idea that works for both sides, not just one
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10-14-2012 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bazaro
It will be interesting to see the liquidity on the site. I'd imagine that a large % of players will remove their bankrolls from the tables after everything that has happened. I feel like this will help the general online poker situation and increase volume on other sites, but I'm not sure of how many people will just instantly trust FTP, even if its being run by Pokerstars.
I'm not sure mate. As you say PokerStars have proven themselves to be a reliable site and I for one would like to have the chance to play on other (trustworthy) sites.
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10-14-2012 , 06:27 AM
i was banned on ftp for making several accounts in my not so humble beginning of poker pokerstars gave me a ban for 6 months ftp closed my account. can i now try to reopen my account on ftp?
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10-14-2012 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by wandramp
i was banned on ftp for making several accounts in my not so humble beginning of poker pokerstars gave me a ban for 6 months ftp closed my account. can i now try to reopen my account on ftp?
Don't think so.
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10-14-2012 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by strixsr
I will wait for final rewards system scheme, but so far 25+5% from the shop looks really bad compared to about 50% with Supernova on PS or Palladium on PP.
Neither Palladium or Supernova offer 50% rakeback so....
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10-14-2012 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wandramp
i was banned on ftp for making several accounts in my not so humble beginning of poker pokerstars gave me a ban for 6 months ftp closed my account. can i now try to reopen my account on ftp?
Which one?
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10-14-2012 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by C_Bomb
Yeah but until someone comes up with an idea that makes more sense to management (ie makes them more money) its not helping the discussion either.

Everyone complaining needs to try and come up with an idea that works for both sides, not just one
Fair enough...

the main difference between FTP and STARS VIP system was the focus group that profited the most. For PS it is the SN and SNE heavy volume grinders, for FTP it was the "recreational grinder". Somebody posted the old grpahs earlier, you could see that FTP benefits peaked at about 500ish points a day and then went down (percentage wise) PS gradualy increases benefits as people increase volume. I think what people are afraid of right now is the loss of diversity, the message to FTP should be "keep the recreational grinder in mind". There is no need for PS2, because the original is already quite good...

With what we see so far of the programme from FTP it just got worse for everyone, high volume players have no incentive to switch and lower volume players also seem to get better rewards at stars... I would also like to bring up that (at least with tournaments, i am not sure about cash but i am sure somebody can comment) FTP had slightly higher rake than stars. The VIP system brought it down to slightly lower (for the right demographic); if now the VIP system gives out less value the effective rake on FTP will just be higher than PS while providing less liquidity; honestly as a final result in three years time of development that might be an unsurprising development, but starting out that way? I am really curious how they think liquidity will come to the site, all grinders will come, clear the midyear bonus (assuming it is better value than stars at the time) and then go back to stars, leaving 4 fish sitting in the lobby waiting for a game, for reference see various ROW poker rooms... I fail to see how aggravating the liquidity providers pre-launch can be good for FTP...
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10-14-2012 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 2bad4u
Which one?
lol
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10-14-2012 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 2bad4u
Which one?
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10-14-2012 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by C_Bomb
Umm no.

If you want to withdraw you'll have to verify.
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Originally Posted by ThomasMoyes
Here is the e-mail people - it's really nothing new.

Dear XXXXXXXXXXXX,
...

What this will mean for you:
normal access to your Full Tilt Poker player account with your current password
renewed access to all Full Tilt Poker real and play-money games
access to your total balance without restriction, including withdrawals
We thank you for your patience during this time. We will update you further as re-launch day approaches. For more information please see our Full Tilt Poker account FAQ.
...

Sincerely,

Full Tilt Poke
Am I missing sth here?
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10-14-2012 , 05:48 PM
yes you are.
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10-14-2012 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by electrue
Am I missing sth here?
You will still have to verify that you are the registered owner of the account.

Whenever you want to withdraw for the first time, you have to prove that youe are the person named as the account holder.

It's not hard, just send a scan or high res pic of drivers license/passport and a utility bill with the matching address.

You should also update the account details when you move, just like drivers license or bank.
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10-14-2012 , 07:28 PM
Yes guys, if you don't receive the email then it means you will not get paid.
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10-14-2012 , 07:28 PM
Any updates on the handling of FTPs for US players?

Are they part of the DOJ remission process, or will they remain in our Full Tilt account?

If they remain in our Full Tilt account, will there be an eventual US-facing store to redeem them? If they remain in our Full Tilt account, is there any conceivable way we could use them to order from a non-US-facing store?


Ultimately, some US players are sitting on enough worth of FTPs to make it worthwhile to go through whatever hoops it takes to redeem them somehow. It would be nice to know anything about what that "somehow" is.
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