Can't believe wsop allows online play while playing live events at rio. So easy to chat or send messages to players at the live table.

... because there is a rule that prevents the problem.

You still aren't thinking through your ideas before you post, Allen. You're just typing whatever thought pops into your head.
You don't even realise when you've already posted the same stupid comment.

I agree its stupid for wsop to allow this. So easy to cheat this way.

You agree with yourself, that's all.

I refer you to my reply to the last time you posted the same thing, about 20 posts up.

Because collision occurs only in mtts and not cash games.

and on the road.

True fact.

Any electronic device should be prohibited while in a hand.

Just asking for trouble.

A player who deliberately folds out of turn may be subject to a penalty. Dealers will report violators to floor personnel. Example: While several players have yet to act, the button looks at his/her cards and immediately leaves the table.

Players must act in turn, and shall not prematurely disclose their action by obvious gesture or mannerism.

(For educational purposes I think it would be good to include the second one in the standard set of rules announcements that most TDs make just before the start of the event.)

Thanks Steve, I already do this in my opening announcements but it is a good reminder for sure.

What if player REALLY REALLY REALLY has to take a Pee ? 90% cause of issue here

#RealWorldProblems

Then they leave during the previous hand or don't look at cards on current hand and fold.

You are entitled to leave the table any time and it's within the rules. Leaving the table after looking at your cards and it isn't your turn yet is against the rules.

A rule in theory I can understand, but IRL

What if one player is habitually tanking, hand after hand, in Level 4, and I REALLY have to pee ? I mean REALLY REALLY BAD !!!!!

Like, it's going to happen no matter what the T.D.A. rules state ?

Can I quietly leave in place my 7,3 and relieve myself ?

Or must I sit there and watch the self proclaimed WIZARD, wow us with his tanking skills ...... before I fold, then get up and not see the next hand dealt (of which I paid a nifty tourney fee to see & decide how/if to play).

PS> Another good reason for a SHOT CLOCK ! (are there any bad reasons ?)

NO, you cannot leave early if you have looked at your hand. You can leave your seat at any time as many players do.

I am not a big fan of a shot clock as it is a logistical nightmare and may even force players in some spots to take longer than they do even now. I am a fan of players playing faster and don't mind players calling the clock either.

How about if players were expected to look at their hands all at the same time (dealer says "look at your cards") as soon as the last card is dealt and immediately before the SB acts. Then people should be expected to already know what they want to do before the action gets to them.

Of course someone could not look at the same time as the others, but if they look later it is going to be with 8 pairs of eyes on them, whereas they would only have chance to pick up tells on one or two players if they looked around while the others were all looking together.

Can we have a rule to punish slowroll for etiquette violation ?

there seems to be two arguments for people pro-FCOTD, both of which aren't good enough to make this terrible rule worthwhile:

1. dealers show favoritism towards players by slowing down the deal when they see someone they know walking back to the chair during play.
-seen this happen. also seen it happen for a player they don't know because the dealer is being nice. so there is theoretically a logical point to it. however, seen FCOTD has been implemented i've also seen dealers outright lie/not understand the rule about being within arms reach of chair when first card is dealt. seen it both ways - dealers killing hands when person is clearly there, and dealer allowing hands to be played when person clearly wasn't. so this argument cancels out

2. players walking back to their seats can see opponents cards as they walk behind them.
-this never made much sense to me. unless someone just looking at their hand completely brazenly/without protection, you have to literally be standing directly behind/above them to see their cards. and you're walking back to your seat anyway and don't exactly have time to stop and do this or your hand is going to be dead. regardless, we are told to protect our hands at all times. if you look at your hand correctly no one should be able to see it but you. even if you protect it slightly no one should be able to see it but someone directly over you.

please get rid of this awful rule. people either don't care about it or hate it. that's not a mandate for a rule this oppressive. the rule is selectively enforced, people who aren't regs playing in casinos get pissed off when their hand is killed and they didn't know about it, dealers selectively enforce it, and it is a terrible rule for people who have trouble sitting still during 12+ hour days, and it removes a huge part of the social aspect of live poker (catching up with people you haven't seen etc during early stage play)

i know nothing will be done because our voice as players is largely irrelevant to the TDA (except for a few of the players who are golf buddies/favorites/etc) because we keep hearing about how successful the rule is and how there's been zero complaints when most of us have personally witnessed many complaints or complained ourselves, but please, this rule is so bad.

While I wouldn't mind a shot clock, I think the fact we are already allowed to call clock renders any new rules in this area largely unnecessary.

We just need to start calling clock more. I will be using one of these for my new Card Protector. When the sand empties on you, then I CALL CLOCK !



I will be testing this new tool out in the Connecticut Casinos.

Come say hi if you see me !

I actually tried once to call the clock more often. It produced the exact reverse effect, with some players slowing down further and waiting their whole minute just to piss me off.

There need to be some kind of education that calling the clock on someone is not a bad thing. Many players still see this as some kind of insult, which it is not. Especially if you are not in the hand.

1. Please discuss a system of blacklisting cheaters universally and for that info to be passed on reliably.

2. Discuss banning of sunglasses.

What happened in the WSOP 10k HU just now should never happen again. Implementing 1. and 2. would facilitate prevention of scummy players destroying the game we all love.

I REALLY REALLY REALLY have to pee, unless I have Aces or Kings...then I can hold it.

If you need to go to the bathroom, go to the bathroom:

Discuss what the benefits are of offering best stack forward.

After a month of no first card off the deck, and not a single issue; I've come to the conclusion that this rule causes more issues and arguments than any benefit.