I want to hear about his favorite vacation.

I don't get all the argument around the course. Doug runs a business. A business markets products. Pretty straightforward.

If you think the product will be bad, not worth it, unethically produced in some way, simple don't buy it. If you feel the other way, then do. The market should police itself.

Posting a review after having bought/used it I think is fair and different. But arguing about whether he should have put it out in the first place and people shouldn't buy it blah blah seems dumb.

Don't really get all the back and forth about it.

You don’t understand why consumers might want to discuss a product that’s available for purchase?

I guess my comment was a little off target. I actually don't mind some of the discussion. I guess my comment is more geared towards the people that don't really have anything to say about than saying it's a money grab/scam whatever.

I mean of course it's about trying to make money. But that's not really anything constructive other than saying you wouldn't buy it yourself which is fair.

Just to add I guess my main point was I don't get the people that just seem mad that a product was put out. That's not really a discussion.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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ImagineKing (UTG): $37,784.17 (378 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (MP): $24,763.98 (248 bb)
LLinusLLove (CO): $31,373.21 (314 bb)
ZarubaNT (BU): $15,818.96 (158 bb)
angryogr1 (SB): $2,313.83 (23 bb)
ICEMAN2710 (BB): $24,092.30 (241 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($270)
ImagineKing (UTG) raises to $300, 1 fold, LLinusLLove (CO) 3-bets to $900, 3 players fold, ImagineKing (UTG) 4-bets to $2,484.39, LLinusLLove (CO) calls $1,584.39

Flop: ($5,238.78) 8 2 6 (2 players)
ImagineKing (UTG) bets $1,598.59, LLinusLLove (CO) calls $1,598.59

Turn: ($8,435.96) 5 (2 players)
ImagineKing (UTG) bets $4,215.48, LLinusLLove (CO) calls $4,215.48

River: ($16,866.92) A (2 players)
ImagineKing (UTG) bets $29,465.71 (all-in), LLinusLLove (CO) folds

Total pot: $16,866.92 (Rake: $5)
ImagineKing (UTG) wins $16,861.92





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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LLinusLLove (UTG): $11,721.00 (117 bb)
angryogr1 (MP): $67,299.12 (673 bb)
ImagineKing (CO): $27,555.59 (276 bb)
underO (BU): $10,000.00 (100 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (SB): $11,676.95 (117 bb)
zerfer03 (BB): $10,300.00 (103 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($270)
LLinusLLove (UTG) raises to $200, angryogr1 (MP) 3-bets to $750, 3 players fold, zerfer03 (BB) 4-bets to $2,400, 1 fold, angryogr1 (MP) calls $1,650

Flop: ($5,170) J T 9 (2 players)
zerfer03 (BB) checks, angryogr1 (MP) bets $1,652.80, zerfer03 (BB) raises to $7,880 (all-in), angryogr1 (MP) calls $6,227.20

First Turn: ($20,930) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($20,930) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($20,930) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($20,930) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20,930 (Rake: $5)

First Showdown: Board: J T 9 7 A

zerfer03 (BB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 34%, Turn: 36%, River: 0%)

angryogr1 (MP) shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 66%, Turn: 64%, River: 100%)

angryogr1 (MP) wins $10,462.50

Second Showdown: Board: J T 9 6 9

zerfer03 (BB) shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 34%, Turn: 23%, River: 0%)

angryogr1 (MP) shows J J (a full house, Jacks full of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 66%, Turn: 77%, River: 100%)

angryogr1 (MP) wins $10,462.50





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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ImagineKing (UTG): $19,631.49 (196 bb)
ICEMAN2710 (MP): $22,341.91 (223 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (CO): $24,101.57 (241 bb)
ZarubaNT (BU): $15,261.75 (153 bb)
LLinusLLove (SB): $10,000.00 (100 bb)
angryogr1 (BB): $84,753.33 (848 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($270)
ImagineKing (UTG) calls $100, 2 players fold, ZarubaNT (BU) calls $100, LLinusLLove (SB) calls $50, angryogr1 (BB) checks

Flop: ($520) 5 2 K (4 players)
LLinusLLove (SB) checks, angryogr1 (BB) checks, ImagineKing (UTG) checks, ZarubaNT (BU) bets $128.75, LLinusLLove (SB) calls $128.75, angryogr1 (BB) folds, ImagineKing (UTG) calls $128.75

Turn: ($906.25) Q (3 players)
LLinusLLove (SB) bets $1,216.69, ImagineKing (UTG) raises to $4,850, ZarubaNT (BU) folds, LLinusLLove (SB) raises to $9,751.25 (all-in), ImagineKing (UTG) calls $4,901.25

River: ($20,408.75) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20,408.75 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
LLinusLLove (SB) shows 2 2 (three of a kind, Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 51%, Flop: 94%, Turn: 91%, River: 100%)

ImagineKing (UTG) shows Q K (two pair, Kings and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 49%, Flop: 6%, Turn: 9%, River: 0%)

LLinusLLove (SB) wins $20,403.75





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 5 players
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zerfer03 (UTG): $10,000.00 (100 bb)
LLinusLLove (CO): $12,764.00 (128 bb)
angryogr1 (BU): $42,929.86 (429 bb)
underO (SB): $18,459.25 (185 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (BB): $10,617.47 (106 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($250)
2 players fold, angryogr1 (BU) raises to $300, 1 fold, NLZWERVERNL (BB) calls $200

Flop: ($750) 9 8 A (2 players)
NLZWERVERNL (BB) checks, angryogr1 (BU) bets $573.65, NLZWERVERNL (BB) calls $573.65

Turn: ($1,897.30) 2 (2 players)
NLZWERVERNL (BB) checks, angryogr1 (BU) bets $1,457.07, NLZWERVERNL (BB) calls $1,457.07

River: ($4,811.44) 6 (2 players)
NLZWERVERNL (BB) checks, angryogr1 (BU) bets $4,800, NLZWERVERNL (BB) calls $4,800

Total pot: $14,411.44 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
angryogr1 (BU) shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
NLZWERVERNL (BB) mucks
angryogr1 (BU) wins $14,406.44





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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zerfer03 (UTG): $10,590.00 (106 bb)
LLinusLLove (MP): $12,224.00 (122 bb)
angryogr1 (CO): $49,528.55 (495 bb)
ImagineKing (BU): $28,144.59 (281 bb)
underO (SB): $15,201.57 (152 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (BB): $12,506.45 (125 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($270)
1 fold, LLinusLLove (MP) raises to $213, angryogr1 (CO) calls $213, 1 fold, underO (SB) 3-bets to $1,400, 2 players fold, angryogr1 (CO) calls $1,187

Flop: ($3,233) 7 2 J (2 players)
underO (SB) bets $968.40, angryogr1 (CO) calls $968.40

Turn: ($5,169.80) T (2 players)
underO (SB) bets $2,582.40, angryogr1 (CO) raises to $47,140.15 (all-in), underO (SB) calls $10,230.77 (all-in)

First River: ($30,796.14) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($30,796.14) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $30,796.14 (Rake: $5)

First Showdown: Board: 7 2 J T J

angryogr1 (CO) shows T T (a full house, Tens full of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

underO (SB) shows A A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

angryogr1 (CO) wins $15,395.57

Second Showdown: Board: 7 2 J T 2

angryogr1 (CO) shows T T (a full house, Tens full of Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

underO (SB) shows A A (two pair, Aces and Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

angryogr1 (CO) wins $15,395.57





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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angryogr1 (UTG): $77,054.12 (771 bb)
ImagineKing (MP): $26,865.59 (269 bb)
underO (CO): $10,300.00 (103 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (BU): $11,256.95 (113 bb)
zerfer03 (SB): $11,380.00 (114 bb)
LLinusLLove (BB): $11,771.00 (118 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($270)
1 fold, ImagineKing (MP) calls $100, underO (CO) raises to $350, 2 players fold, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $250, ImagineKing (MP) calls $250

Flop: ($1,220) 9 T Q (3 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) bets $619.65, ImagineKing (MP) raises to $2,768.56, underO (CO) raises to $9,930 (all-in), LLinusLLove (BB) folds, ImagineKing (MP) calls $7,161.44

Turn: ($21,699.65) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21,699.65) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21,699.65 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
underO (CO) shows J K (a straight, Nine to King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 44%, Flop: 65%, Turn: 77%, River: 100%)

ImagineKing (MP) shows T T (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 56%, Flop: 35%, Turn: 23%, River: 0%)

underO (CO) wins $21,694.65

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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ZarubaNT (UTG): $17,147.59 (171 bb)
ICEMAN2710 (MP): $20,000.00 (200 bb)
angryogr1 (CO): $18,770.83 (188 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (BU): $17,605.40 (176 bb)
ImagineKing (SB): $23,759.20 (238 bb)
LLinusLLove (BB): $24,466.00 (245 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($270)
2 players fold, angryogr1 (CO) raises to $300, 1 fold, ImagineKing (SB) calls $250, LLinusLLove (BB) 3-bets to $1,450, angryogr1 (CO) 4-bets to $3,950, 1 fold, LLinusLLove (BB) 5-bets to $24,446 (all-in), angryogr1 (CO) calls $14,800.83 (all-in)

First Flop: ($37,921.66) 7 6 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

First Turn: ($37,921.66) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

First River: ($37,921.66) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second Flop: ($37,921.66) 9 5 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second Turn: ($37,921.66) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($37,921.66) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $37,921.66 (Rake: $5)

First Showdown: Board: 7 6 2 5 K

LLinusLLove (BB) shows 5 A (a pair of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 13%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

angryogr1 (CO) shows A A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 87%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

angryogr1 (CO) wins $18,958.33

Second Showdown: Board: 9 5 4 3 Q

LLinusLLove (BB) shows 5 A (a pair of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 13%, Flop: 44%, Turn: 28%, River: 0%)

angryogr1 (CO) shows A A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 87%, Flop: 56%, Turn: 72%, River: 100%)

angryogr1 (CO) wins $18,958.33

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 4 players
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LLinusLLove (UTG): $10,047.00 (100 bb)
Bit2Easy (BU): $11,610.48 (116 bb)
Stefan11222 (SB): $12,362.46 (124 bb)
pokerkluka (BB): $10,000.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
1 fold, Bit2Easy (BU) raises to $251, 1 fold, pokerkluka (BB) 3-bets to $1,250, Bit2Easy (BU) calls $999

Flop: ($2,550) T 6 4 (2 players)
pokerkluka (BB) checks, Bit2Easy (BU) bets $1,018.80, pokerkluka (BB) calls $1,018.80

Turn: ($4,587.60) 2 (2 players)
pokerkluka (BB) checks, Bit2Easy (BU) bets $1,467.07, pokerkluka (BB) raises to $7,731.20 (all-in), Bit2Easy (BU) calls $6,264.13

First River: ($20,050) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($20,050) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20,050 (Rake: $3)

First Showdown: Board: T 6 4 2 3

pokerkluka (BB) shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 86%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

Bit2Easy (BU) shows 2 2 (three of a kind, Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

Bit2Easy (BU) wins $10,023.50

Second Showdown: Board: T 6 4 2 K

pokerkluka (BB) shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 86%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

Bit2Easy (BU) shows 2 2 (three of a kind, Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

Bit2Easy (BU) wins $10,023.50





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 5 players
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Stefan11222 (UTG): $26,315.00 (263 bb)
pokerkluka (CO): $20,980.00 (210 bb)
Iimitless (BU): $18,951.25 (190 bb)
mexican222 (SB): $19,880.00 (199 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (BB): $10,606.47 (106 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($250)
Stefan11222 (UTG) raises to $300, 1 fold, Iimitless (BU) 3-bets to $1,100, 2 players fold, Stefan11222 (UTG) 4-bets to $2,900, Iimitless (BU) calls $1,800

Flop: ($6,050) 4 J Q (2 players)
Stefan11222 (UTG) bets $1,511.25, Iimitless (BU) calls $1,511.25

Turn: ($9,072.50) 2 (2 players)
Stefan11222 (UTG) checks, Iimitless (BU) checks

River: ($9,072.50) 4 (2 players)
Stefan11222 (UTG) bets $21,883.75 (all-in), Iimitless (BU) calls $14,520 (all-in)

Total pot: $38,112.50 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
Stefan11222 (UTG) shows 9 K (a pair of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 31%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 9%, River: 0%)

Iimitless (BU) shows Q Q (a full house, Queens full of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 69%, Flop: 86%, Turn: 91%, River: 100%)

Iimitless (BU) wins $38,107.50





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 5 players
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pokerkluka (UTG): $24,759.84 (248 bb)
Iimitless (CO): $37,502.46 (375 bb)
mexican222 (BU): $20,911.54 (209 bb)
NLZWERVERNL (SB): $13,193.80 (132 bb)
Stefan11222 (BB): $15,289.91 (153 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($250)
1 fold, Iimitless (CO) raises to $220, 2 players fold, Stefan11222 (BB) 3-bets to $1,400, Iimitless (CO) calls $1,180

Flop: ($2,950) 7 J 4 (2 players)
Stefan11222 (BB) bets $2,208.75, Iimitless (CO) calls $2,208.75

Turn: ($7,367.50) 8 (2 players)
Stefan11222 (BB) bets $11,661.16 (all-in), Iimitless (CO) calls $11,661.16

First River: ($30,689.82) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($30,689.82) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $30,689.82 (Rake: $5)

First Showdown: Board: 7 J 4 8 5

Stefan11222 (BB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 80%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

Iimitless (CO) shows J K (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 20%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

Stefan11222 (BB) wins $15,342.41

Second Showdown: Board: 7 J 4 8 A

Stefan11222 (BB) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 80%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

Iimitless (CO) shows J K (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 20%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

Stefan11222 (BB) wins $15,342.41

On a different note, did u guys noticed how ole schemion absolutely destroyed the whole winter series? Think he made at least 5 ft won the main event, overall roughly 800k to a milly in profit. Pretty darn sick

Wow lol, limitless joined the 50/100 HUPLOZOOM pool because IK is in it
Literally never seen limitless play a PLO game on stars, and I rail quite a lot

Hey hey

Hello Kanu i think the only way to win people trust regarding the new Linus course, is to jump right now in a 200/400 session against the devil himself or other top5 HS regs and prove that you're still an endboss

Would be very surprising if his account is not banned by Stars already given the free preview of the Linus course, so this probably isn't going to happen.

PokerStars - Hold'em Cash Games - $50/100 Blinds - 4 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

pokerkluka (BB): $11,377
Stefan11222 (CO): $13,397.35
Iimitless (BTN): $13,630.06
BigBlindBets (SB): $27,198.78

Pre-flop:
Stefan11222 raises to $350, Iimitless raises to $1,150, (2 folds), Stefan11222 calls $800

Flop: ($2,530) 6 6 3 (2 Players)
Stefan11222 checks, Iimitless bets $708.10, Stefan11222 raises to $2,066.20, Iimitless calls $1,358.10

Turn: ($6,662.40) 7 (2 Players)
Stefan11222 bets $3,329.70, Iimitless calls $3,329.70

River: ($13,321.80) 2 (2 Players)
Stefan11222 bets $6,831.45 and is all-in, Iimitless calls $6,831.45
Stefan11222 Showed Q A
Iimitless Showed A Q
Stefan11222 wins $13,490.85 with a pair of Sixes
Iimitless wins $13,490.85 with a pair of Sixes

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

OptionNz (BU): $15614.82 (156 bb)
ImagineKing (BB): $11940.62 (119 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
OptionNz (BU) raises to $300, ImagineKing (BB) 3-bets to $900, OptionNz (BU) calls $600

Flop: ($1800) Q 9 3 (2 players)
ImagineKing (BB) bets $1797.50, OptionNz (BU) raises to $7190, ImagineKing (BB) 3-bets to $11040.62 (all-in), OptionNz (BU) calls $3850.62

Turn: ($23881.24) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($23881.24) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $23881.24 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
ImagineKing (BB) shows 3 6 9 J (two pair, Nines and Threes)
(Equity - pre: 49%, flop: 16%, turn: 13%, river: 0%)

OptionNz (BU) shows 2 9 T Q (two pair, Queens and Nines)
(Equity - pre: 51%, flop: 84%, turn: 88%, river: 100%)


PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Limwonster (BU): $11012.98 (110 bb)
ImagineKing (BB): $16646.56 (166 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
Limwonster (BU) raises to $260, ImagineKing (BB) 3-bets to $780, Limwonster (BU) 4-bets to $2340, ImagineKing (BB) calls $1560

Flop: ($4680) 9 K 6 (2 players)
ImagineKing (BB) checks, Limwonster (BU) bets $4677.50, ImagineKing (BB) calls $4677.50

Turn: ($14035) 5 (2 players)
ImagineKing (BB) bets $9629.06 (all-in), Limwonster (BU) calls $3995.48 (all-in)

River: ($22025.96) T (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $22025.96 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
ImagineKing (BB) shows 5 T J K (two pair, Kings and Tens)
(Equity - pre: 42%, flop: 50%, turn: 70%, river: 100%)

Limwonster (BU) shows 2 4 A A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - pre: 58%, flop: 50%, turn: 30%, river: 0%)


PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Limwonster (BU): $14379.18 (144 bb)
ImagineKing (BB): $10297.50 (103 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
Limwonster (BU) raises to $232, ImagineKing (BB) 3-bets to $696, Limwonster (BU) calls $464

Flop: ($1392) 9 5 Q (2 players)
ImagineKing (BB) bets $1042.13, Limwonster (BU) calls $1042.13

Turn: ($3476.26) 8 (2 players)
ImagineKing (BB) bets $3473.76, Limwonster (BU) calls $3473.76

River: ($10423.78) T (2 players)
ImagineKing (BB) bets $5085.61 (all-in), Limwonster (BU) calls $5085.61

Total pot: $20595 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
ImagineKing (BB) shows T J K A (a straight, Nine to King)
(Equity - pre: 56%, flop: 42%, turn: 65%, river: 50%)

Limwonster (BU) shows 5 8 J K (a straight, Nine to King)
(Equity - pre: 44%, flop: 58%, turn: 35%, river: 50%)

ImagineKing (BB) wins $10296.25
Limwonster (BU) wins $10296.25


PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Limwonster (BU): $12415.03 (124 bb)
Sanita55 (BB): $10000 (100 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
Limwonster (BU) raises to $300, Sanita55 (BB) 3-bets to $900, Limwonster (BU) calls $600

Flop: ($1800) 2 8 3 (2 players)
Sanita55 (BB) bets $1797.50, Limwonster (BU) raises to $7190, Sanita55 (BB) 3-bets to $9100 (all-in), Limwonster (BU) calls $1910

First Turn: ($20000) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($20000) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($20000) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($20000) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20000 (Rake: $2.50)

First Showdown: Board: 2 8 3 J 7

Sanita55 (BB) shows 4 7 A A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - pre: 63%, flop: 51%, turn: 35%, river: 0%)

Limwonster (BU) shows 2 8 J K (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Equity - pre: 37%, flop: 49%, turn: 65%, river: 100%)

Limwonster (BU) wins $9998.75

Second Showdown: Board: 2 8 3 9 7

Sanita55 (BB) shows 4 7 A A (a flush, Nine high)
(Equity - pre: 63%, flop: 51%, turn: 90%, river: 100%)

Limwonster (BU) shows 2 8 J K (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
(Equity - pre: 37%, flop: 49%, turn: 10%, river: 0%)

Sanita55 (BB) wins $9998.75

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 6 players
Rail Hand History Converter

GiveMeUP (UTG): $5089.65 (102 bb)
Ner4zzurri (MP): $5000 (100 bb)
pAYtAXiSnICE (CO): $5113.72 (102 bb)
ZarubaNT (BU): $5340.95 (107 bb)
honeyz28 (SB): $8220.91 (164 bb)
ZilikPSM (BB): $5000 (100 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
3 folds, ZarubaNT (BU) raises to $137.50, 1 fold, ZilikPSM (BB) 3-bets to $525, ZarubaNT (BU) calls $387.50

Flop: ($1075) 6 4 T (2 players)
ZilikPSM (BB) checks, ZarubaNT (BU) checks

Turn: ($1075) Q (2 players)
ZilikPSM (BB) bets $814.72, ZarubaNT (BU) raises to $1629.44, ZilikPSM (BB) 3-bets to $4475 (all-in), ZarubaNT (BU) calls $2845.56

River: ($10025) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10025 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
ZilikPSM (BB) shows 6 8 (a pair of Sixes)
(Equity - pre: 38%, flop: 7%, turn: 18%, river: 0%)

ZarubaNT (BU) shows 6 6 (three of a kind, Sixes)
(Equity - pre: 62%, flop: 93%, turn: 82%, river: 100%)

He said that he wanted to learn PLO. And it was couple years ago, so probably he feels comfortable with it now.

Joey mentioned this thread in our pod last night so thought I'd check it out and I see I've been taking some heat! You'd think that my decade long career with a top reputation and leaving stars when I didn't agree with the way they were treating players would give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm not going to have come back to poker for a money grab with a terrible course but some of you guys are a tough crowd!

In fairness it's not an unreasonable assumption when you hear about someone who retired making some content and my first thoughts when Doug approached me about it were a) that I didn't want to come back to make an average course and b) that even if I came back with an amazing course, there would be people assuming I came back with an average course.

I only decided to make it because I saw a way to make a course that was at a considerably higher level than I was playing when I stopped. I'd totally agree that a course based on how I played a few years ago would not be good value for people at $1k. I spent the best part of a year working full-time doing all the theory work that I'd have been doing over the last couple of years alongside playing if I hadn't stopped though, so what I've come up with in the end is something that is imo as good (or maybe even better because I've been able to dedicate all my time to it) than what I could have produced if I was still playing and beating 25/50+.

It's obviously early days but fwiw all the feedback from people who have bought the course and started watching it has been amazing, nobody has expressed any disappointment about any part of what they've seen so far (although I'm sure it'll happen at some point, you can never please everyone). I'd recommend checking out the free content on Upswings youtube channel if you're interested in seeing the quality of the course, particularly the video on turn probing where I go through my process of video making. The feedback from serious players on those videos has been good too and it's a good indication of what the rest of the course is like.

I know most of you are prob not going to be interested in a $1k course but I used to love this thread so don't want you guys to think I've resorted to throwing out bad content to trick people to pay me money! I hope and expect that pretty much everyone who buys the course will think they got insane value after they watched it.

On the LLinus course, I do have mixed feelings about that because I've always steered clear of anything that's even vaguely grey area as to whether it's acceptable. It's important to bear in mind though that there's nothing inherently evil about studying databases, it's just site rules put in place mostly to protect recreational players from losing even more quickly. In most serious games/sports it's completely standard to take as much information as possible from other competitors games played against other people in order to prepare to play against them yourself or to learn from if you're not at that level. Any high level sports team will do video analysis of their next opponent's strengths and weaknesses before they play. It's completely standard for people to watch Tiger Woods golf swing, or Roger Federer's forehand in order to improve their own games.

In poker, because stars bans it (although completely ineffectively, probably 80-90% of my opponents when I played had mined hands on me, even though I didn't on them), it is rightly considered unfair on people who break the rules to play with HHs on people who don't break the rules. However, it's so widespread at higher stakes that the rule becomes a total joke and I have no problem at all with any of the hundreds of people who used them against me because it becomes a big ask for people to not do it when so many others are and the rule is not enforced.

In this particular case I've not even played against LLinus using the hands Upswing provided, and the course is publicly available for LLinus as well as everyone else. It is also of course not designed with the idea of making people beat LLinus as he can just adjust his play. The idea is to teach people how to exploit the games they play in by showing how LLinus has done it in the toughest games in the world.

I respect the opinion of anyone who still thinks it's not ok, because I know that for someone watching from the outside it comes from a place of wanting fairness and feeling it's harsh to LLinus. I suspect though that even the most staunch critic would probably not be so bothered if they were fully aware of the extent of mined hand usage at high stakes (I have no clue whether LLinus himself has used mined hands but given the widespread usage and the fact he's doing so well, you'd have to assign a very high probability that he does) as well as the general approach that I think most top players have to things like this. Obviously it depends what else he has going on atm but in general if I were in LLinus' shoes I would find this to be a bit of a challenge and would enjoy thinking about how to exploit people who are trying to exploit him after watching the course.

Haha probably not the best idea after just releasing all my thoughts and strategies in a course! Even without that though, although I think my theory is at a world class level after the work I've done in the last year, there's always going to be plenty of rust when you haven't played for a while and I'd no doubt end up making too many mistakes for it to be a reasonable idea to play shorthanded with the best in the world without some serious practice first.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
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Iimitless (SB): $23,481.75 (117 bb)
buttonclickr (BB): $20,000.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
Iimitless (SB) raises to $500, buttonclickr (BB) 3-bets to $2,100, Iimitless (SB) 4-bets to $4,906, buttonclickr (BB) 5-bets to $20,000 (all-in), Iimitless (SB) calls $15,094

Flop: ($40,000) J K 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($40,000) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($40,000) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $40,000 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
buttonclickr (BB) shows A 5 (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 16%, River: 0%)

Iimitless (SB) shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 84%, River: 100%)

Iimitless (SB) wins $39,997

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 4 players
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makeboifin (UTG): $18,676.79 (187 bb)
Iimitless (BU): $11,072.66 (111 bb)
LLinusLLove (SB): $25,696.05 (257 bb)
MrLeeQ (BB): $10,000.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
makeboifin (UTG) raises to $250, 2 players fold, MrLeeQ (BB) calls $150

Flop: ($550) A J 3 (2 players)
MrLeeQ (BB) checks, makeboifin (UTG) bets $411, MrLeeQ (BB) raises to $1,533.70, makeboifin (UTG) calls $1,122.70

Turn: ($3,617.40) J (2 players)
MrLeeQ (BB) checks, makeboifin (UTG) bets $903.60, MrLeeQ (BB) calls $903.60

River: ($5,424.60) 8 (2 players)
MrLeeQ (BB) checks, makeboifin (UTG) bets $15,989.49 (all-in), MrLeeQ (BB) calls $7,312.70 (all-in)

Total pot: $20,050 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
makeboifin (UTG) shows 9 J (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 48%, Flop: 12%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

MrLeeQ (BB) shows 3 A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 88%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

makeboifin (UTG) wins $20,047

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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makeboifin (UTG): $15,707.90 (157 bb)
GiveMeUP (MP): $42,114.63 (421 bb)
Iimitless (CO): $20,056.66 (201 bb)
EzPaTuLa (BU): $27,976.00 (280 bb)
ZarubaNT (SB): $19,693.96 (197 bb)
ImagineKing (BB): $19,345.00 (193 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($270)
1 fold, GiveMeUP (MP) raises to $300, Iimitless (CO) 3-bets to $1,120, 3 players fold, GiveMeUP (MP) 4-bets to $3,150, Iimitless (CO) calls $2,030

Flop: ($6,570) 6 7 3 (2 players)
GiveMeUP (MP) bets $1,969.50, Iimitless (CO) calls $1,969.50

Turn: ($10,509) 3 (2 players)
GiveMeUP (MP) bets $3,151.20, Iimitless (CO) calls $3,151.20

River: ($16,811.40) T (2 players)
GiveMeUP (MP) checks, Iimitless (CO) checks

Total pot: $16,811.40 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
GiveMeUP (MP) shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
Iimitless (CO) mucks
GiveMeUP (MP) wins $16,806.40

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
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Gameking51 (SB): $10,000.00 (100 bb)
LLinusLLove (BB): $17,126.80 (171 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
Gameking51 (SB) raises to $300, LLinusLLove (BB) 3-bets to $900, Gameking51 (SB) 4-bets to $2,700, LLinusLLove (BB) calls $1,800

Flop: ($5,400) 9 6 K (2 players)
LLinusLLove (BB) bets $5,397.50, Gameking51 (SB) raises to $7,300 (all-in), LLinusLLove (BB) calls $1,902.50

First Turn: ($20,000) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($20,000) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($20,000) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($20,000) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20,000 (Rake: $2.50)

First Showdown: Board: 9 6 K 5 3

Gameking51 (SB) shows A A A T (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 68%, River: 0%)

LLinusLLove (BB) shows 7 4 3 7 (a straight, Three to Seven)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 33%, River: 100%)

LLinusLLove (BB) wins $9,998.75

Second Showdown: Board: 9 6 K K 6

Gameking51 (SB) shows A A A T (two pair, Aces and Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

LLinusLLove (BB) shows 7 4 3 7 (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

Gameking51 (SB) wins $9,998.75

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 4 players
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Iimitless (UTG): $10,536.16 (105 bb)
LLinusLLove (BU): $25,107.72 (251 bb)
MrLeeQ (SB): $10,000.00 (100 bb)
oSpiel888 (BB): $11,326.54 (113 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
Iimitless (UTG) raises to $220, 1 fold, MrLeeQ (SB) 3-bets to $1,100, 1 fold, Iimitless (UTG) calls $880

Flop: ($2,300) 4 4 3 (2 players)
MrLeeQ (SB) bets $758.01, Iimitless (UTG) calls $758.01

Turn: ($3,816.02) K (2 players)
MrLeeQ (SB) bets $2,783.50, Iimitless (UTG) calls $2,783.50

River: ($9,383.02) J (2 players)
MrLeeQ (SB) bets $5,358.49 (all-in), Iimitless (UTG) calls $5,358.49

Total pot: $20,100 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
MrLeeQ (SB) shows A Q (a pair of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 48%, Flop: 29%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

Iimitless (UTG) shows 8 8 (two pair, Eights and Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 71%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

Iimitless (UTG) wins $20,097

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
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OptionNz (SB): $12,261.90 (123 bb)
Gameking51 (BB): $10,696.25 (107 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($150)
OptionNz (SB) raises to $300, Gameking51 (BB) 3-bets to $900, OptionNz (SB) calls $600

Flop: ($1,800) 2 6 7 (2 players)
Gameking51 (BB) bets $1,797.50, OptionNz (SB) raises to $7,190, Gameking51 (BB) raises to $9,796.25 (all-in), OptionNz (SB) calls $2,606.25

Turn: ($21,392.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21,392.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21,392.50 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
Gameking51 (BB) shows T 9 J 8 (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 42%, Flop: 46%, Turn: 33%, River: 0%)

OptionNz (SB) shows K 2 K 6 (two pair, Aces and Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 54%, Turn: 68%, River: 100%)

OptionNz (SB) wins $21,390

It seems like a hands down best course out there
Where people can actually understand what the coach is saying (sorry Educa )
And you don't give a **** about holding back or not showing solver charts like everybody else that plays does and will.

And yes Stars will ban you almost certainly if they look into it
you
1) Publicly advertise that you mine hands
2) Re-sell the hands themselves and their analysis for a lot of money with active marketing on top.

FYI coaches can't even do database reviews directly anymore even though someone wants it, and have to use teamviewer, that is how much is Stars against sharing of large HH data.


But I'm sure you were prepared for that

Oh come on Alex you're just being cheeky here

I'd like you to close your eyes, relax and think of the times of your prime when you were hard to beat at the top of the ladder.

Then someone VERY competent who spends a year only on theory datamines your hands, spends ages analyzing it.

But instead of giving you action in testing it against you

He publicly releases it for everyone to see.

Are this young rascal's first thoughts really
HELL YEAH I GET TO ENJOY EXPLOITING PEOPLE THAT KNOW HOW TO EXPLOIT ME WITHOUT PLAYING ME OR PUTTING IN THE WORK IN MORE!
Oh goodie, a CHALLENGE!