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View Poll Results: Which HU championship would you like to see?
Knockout
109 16.62%
Group Stages
113 17.23%
League
212 32.32%
I don't care, any of them would be awesome!
121 18.45%
I don't care, why are you wasting NVG's time with this rubbish!
101 15.40%

02-18-2012 , 08:28 PM
More to think of it knockout really sucks from a rail point of view.

Say the 2 most followed players are Jungleman and Durrrr and they are pitched against each other in the 1st round then the rest of the competition is a big anti climax.

(im aware durrrr isnt playing online on stars atm it was an example)

Defo gotta be league, more chance for the rail to sweat their fav players and see how all the different pros styles match up against each other etc.

If you can get added prizemoney to the field you could probably get a lot more players aswell.
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02-18-2012 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamsym1
If its knockout then isnt it just like the $25k hu tourney on stars?

If you want a true test of skill then it should be done like a proper league table with everyone playing everyone else for a set number of hands.

Then everyones styles can match up differently with different opponents etc. Otherwise its just another hu tourney.
Its like the 25k tourney but rake would be far higher Imo no-blind increase sng with 25/50 blinds is the way to go- still pretty much a cash game but less rake per hand :P

What could also be done is a cool king of the hill format where bets are taken on who sits as king longest for the month/ longer and winner is crowned best HU cash player
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02-18-2012 , 08:29 PM
league format easily makes the most sense for what you are trying to accomplish, which is a test to see who the best is.

Would definitely watch.
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02-18-2012 , 08:33 PM
I think that's an awesome idea and I'd definitely rail you guys whenever I have time to.
Both knockout out and league options seem bloody cool. I'm content with whichever choice that gathers the biggest player pool.
If you guys are really interested in making this championship a best-player-wins thing then you should go for the league and maybe include an overall EV score. Either splitting the prize pool for the top3 real $ winners and EV winners or whatever method you think it will make the contest fairer for the whiners.

I'm looking foward for this idea to get materialized. GL
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02-18-2012 , 08:36 PM
If it was promoted properly by stars it could be epic.

They could set the date for like 3 months time.

Give everyone in the poker world chance to find out.

Set incentives like a $100k 1st prize or something free out of all the rake they will make and all the free publicity etc.

Let the winner be a stars pro or something maybe even.

Also stars could run a few smaller ones before at like $5/10 HU instead of $50/100 and give the chance for about 5 'wildcard' players to qualify. This would also add value for the HSNL guys and make it more likely that more people join.
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02-18-2012 , 08:38 PM
Would obv watch all day errrrday.
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02-18-2012 , 08:43 PM
Hopefully this happens!

great idea, these kinds of concepts is what will develop poker further!

gogo
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02-18-2012 , 08:45 PM
personally id rather the field just be a smaller, more elite field. I'm not interested at all in seeing a beast run down some random fish, id only watch the elite vs elite matches.
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02-18-2012 , 08:46 PM
if you hosted this on some random network i would download the skin just to watch, league sounds too good to be true
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02-18-2012 , 08:46 PM
would defo watch, i think the league format would be best because you'd definitely get some great matches and it truly sees who the best is.

you won't have any problems getting railers if you manage to get isildur
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02-18-2012 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by adam001
personally id rather the field just be a smaller, more elite field. I'm not interested at all in seeing a beast run down some random fish, id only watch the elite vs elite matches.
Im not talking about random fish with the wildcard.

I just mean there are some top players out there playing $3/6 to $10/20 HU that havent yet built a roll to afford this sort of challenge at 50/100. A wildcard could give some really good 5/10 player a chance at the big time.

For instance imagine this challenge happened in like 2009 when jungleman was grinding $5/10 with a $40k roll.

Maybe we could find the next one!
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02-18-2012 , 08:51 PM
bobby the bus one time
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02-18-2012 , 08:51 PM
would watch
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02-18-2012 , 08:54 PM
Wud be sick if stars Steve could get issi to play, otherwise I vote bastard
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02-18-2012 , 08:56 PM
yeah, as long as they are a good 6max/hu 5/10+ player id be happy with that as well
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02-18-2012 , 09:00 PM
I would watch

I like the League idea
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02-18-2012 , 09:32 PM
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The lowest variance of the ideas. A pretty good chance that the best player in the world is crowned the champion and the order of the league table will roughly reflect the skill of the players involved (though of course extreme good or bad luck could change it up quite a bit).
this would be cool and i hope it happens, but you really have to have all the best players in the world playing in this to make that statement. ivey, PA, and durrrr are probably considered the best in the world from a public perspective, assuming 0 of them play this, the 'crown' really won't mean much.

i hope there is a way to get them to play
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02-18-2012 , 09:33 PM
Could get in contact with Stars about this and have them promote it or something and then obv a sh*tload of people would watch.
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02-18-2012 , 09:38 PM
should definitely be knockout or group, league would bore everyone to shreds and each individual match has very little significance and towards the end of the season when one guy is streaks ahead the matches not involving people at top become irrelevant. personally id go group as a knockout does feel a bit too much like a tournament (even though people saying its same as a no blind increase sng r so wrong).
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02-18-2012 , 09:41 PM
your idea just sounds like a tournament format with blinds that dont increase.

If you want a true cash game champion you should all play a cash game with a really high buyin 500k or whatever with the option to rebuy(s) (set capped rebuy max limit/max rebuys)

- game goes til there is one winner.
- players may opt to not rebuy when they bust, conceding a loss.
- players may only quit with $0 or All of the money.

With this format the championship could start with a few tables of the cash game. Eventually narrowing down to one table.... then down to a true Boss of a champion.

Edit: This would show presence of ability to play fullring, shorthanded and HU.
Additional Idea: Everyone could put up a separate 250k on the side (entry fee). The combine total of that 250k pool would be awarded to the winner.
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02-18-2012 , 09:48 PM
I would absolutely love to watch something like this. Watching HU games is well good especially when it's the best players all playing against each other. If done properly it could generate a ton of interest imo. GL with it.
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02-18-2012 , 09:56 PM
I think you need enforceable time limits and forfeiture rules.

for instance I do not know the hands/per hour playing 4 tables of HU but ideally I think you want each match to require one sitting. Now that might mean more variance and obviously at some point there would be too much variance for it to be attrative either to players or to some spectators.

I also think as a whole the WChampionship would have to be run over a defined timetable.
I think that you would have to work out - preferred treatment for the winner in subsequent schedules.
I think you have to balance the attraction of playing big stakes with the ability to attract the players

I think if you go for a league table - I think you have to work out a point system that takes into account both the winning of particular ties alongside of the running totals of $ won. For instance - if say Player A went on a huge heater vs two players and crushed them - yet he only performed moderately (neither heavy winner or loser) against everyone else - Yet Player B wins most or all of his ties but never wins by much. You might get a scenario of one ore more players having more $ won than the player with the best head to head record.

I think you would also want the capacity for viewers on a delay to view hand histories or a delayed commentary. I think part of it should/would include reviews by players of the key pots and what is going on in post-game. I would also highly advise getting perhaps one player who might not want to play in the match - commenting on the play e.g. if say Gandalf says he doesn't think its a +EV thing for him to play in a HUNL game - that you would get him and an offsider say a big site pro - commenting on the game.

p.s. obviously it should be attractive to a poker site so that they would spend money to add EV to attract the players and provide the platform for the watching and recording of the format.
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02-18-2012 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
I think you need enforceable time limits and forfeiture rules.
Whatever the format ends up being, I think everyone is in agreement about how important this is. No one wants a repeat of the neverending durrrr challenge bull****.
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02-18-2012 , 10:02 PM
thinking about it i agree one match per sitting is ideal so go group cos unreasonable to expect 10k hands in one sitting
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02-18-2012 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by -sham-
your idea just sounds like a tournament format with blinds that dont increase.

If you want a true cash game champion you should all play a cash game with a really high buyin 500k or whatever with the option to rebuy(s) (set capped rebuy max limit/max rebuys)

- game goes til there is one winner.
- players may opt to not rebuy when they bust, conceding a loss.
- players may only quit with $0 or All of the money.

With this format the championship could start with a few tables of the cash game. Eventually narrowing down to one table.... then down to a true Boss of a champion.

Edit: This would show presence of ability to play fullring, shorthanded and HU.
Additional Idea: Everyone could put up a separate 250k on the side (entry fee). The combine total of that 250k pool would be awarded to the winner.
Read the thread title again.
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