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View Poll Results: Which HU championship would you like to see?
Knockout
109 16.62%
Group Stages
113 17.23%
League
212 32.32%
I don't care, any of them would be awesome!
121 18.45%
I don't care, why are you wasting NVG's time with this rubbish!
101 15.40%

05-27-2012 , 04:18 PM
LOL at putting "cash game" and "championship" in same sentence
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06-01-2012 , 04:52 PM
I would like to see this for sure.
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06-02-2012 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ralph cifaretto
explain please.

i'm not sure what you're talking about (and i'm not sure about any proposed format that this pie in the sky idea will take) but being locked in to playing 50k hands at $2kNL, are you rolled for that game chessterfish?

You'd probably just fold every hand except KK and AA .
its hardly a world championship if its at 2knl, like nobody thats actually world championship worthy would bother playing it. 50k hands is also too long and will get boring. if you want to make poker entertaining enough for people to watch it has to be relatively short with the result being up for grabs for most of it. KO format achieves that best.
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06-02-2012 , 08:21 PM
hey, didn't realise this got bumped, there is a chance this happens later in the year although it will depend on a few things. Given that it couldn't happen before the wsop it's been put on the backburner for a bit but I'd still like to see it happen. Thanks for all your feedback ralph but I disagree with you on a few of your points. I agree that it's not likely to be mass-marketable etc and that HSHU players aren't household names but that's not really the point. There is an audience for it and even if it gets run rake-free with no added money or something, there is a chance that there are enough players to make it run. The fact that it's not gonna be the most hyped event ever doesn't mean that it wouldn't be cool to play in for the contestants and cool to watch for anyone who is interested. I disagree that the stakes don't matter, a fair few people seem to rail the nosebleed games that run and pretty much nobody rails 10/20. I don't think you will attract a large chunk of the tv poker watching audience whatever the format so I think you'd be wasting your time trying to attract a couple of extra big live tourney names by having it at lower stakes.

My personal opinion is that it should be held at high stakes because it SHOULD be difficult to be able to enter. There's gonna be variance in it because HU poker has a lot of variance. If it's possible that some breakeven midstakes reg can take a shot and win it then it doesn't hold much credibility as a world championship. If you have to have proved your skill over a long amount of time just to have the bankroll to enter then the winner will seem like a worthy champion. Even though the best player in the world may not win, to even be in it and have a chance you have to be a contender to be the worlds best if you hold it at 50/100 and that's a big plus point for me and i feel like it would be for a lot of railers as well.

In terms of making it 6max, it just wouldn't work, it will be hard enough finding times for everyone to play each other HU given all the different schedules people will have. To expect 6 people to turn up at the same time for it day after day for any length of time is just not feasible.

The most likely format if it happens will be some sort of knockout/group stage i think. Looking at it, it seems that it would be too hard to get people to commit to a league. I think whether it happens or not will depend mainly on how the potential contestants bankrolls/confidence are looking when a time comes when it could occur so if you're interested in watching then keep an eye out for news on it later this year and we'll hopefully get something to happen. If you're not interested then that's no problem ofc but I do find it a bit foolish when people feel the need to come in the thread and post just to inform everyone that nobody will be interested. It's not supposed to be the next wsop with mass media coverage etc, but there are people who would be interested in watching and hopefully people who will be interested in playing so feel free to ignore it if it's not for you but there's probably no need to tell everyone just exactly how uninterested you would be in it
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06-02-2012 , 11:13 PM
Kanu, did you get my PM?
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06-03-2012 , 01:32 AM
yup thx, still thinking about a reply
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06-03-2012 , 02:34 AM
do all 3, call it the HUNL Cash Game World Championship Series

"events 1-3"
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06-03-2012 , 07:09 AM
I like the idea that every player should play every other player, be it one session of X# hands or multiple seshs. If it's a random draw it would be cool to watch but would in no way determine who's the 'best'.

As said before, if the two 'best' players are pitted against each other in the first round or variance gets the best of a top player then it will be a meaningless competition. If everyone plays everyone else then it will be a true test of skill (vs multiple opponent styles, etc). Whatever you guys end up doing will be awesome but I feel this would be the most accurate way to determine a winner. GLGL
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06-03-2012 , 07:30 AM
What makes this the ´World Championship´?
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06-03-2012 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nezh
What makes this the ´World Championship´?
Because it's going to be rake free
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06-03-2012 , 02:53 PM
lol Kanu's responses always so perfect, even shut up the windbag skeptics in this thread

Did someone actually suggest they try to get hellmuth to play? hope that guy was a troll

so ppl decently likely to play: kanu, sauce, zeejustin, ike, jungleman, fullflush, jackrich, ben86, isildur.....then others, pimpylimpy? Eunjong Byun? Wilhasha? patpatman!?, if urnotindangr could get rolled.... obv not bumhunter 0human0

I wonder which of the decently confirmed guys zeejustin wants action from that he normally doesn't get (ben86?jackrich?), seems like a redic tough group to me
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06-03-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by welkerallday
lol Kanu's responses always so perfect, even shut up the windbag skeptics in this thread

Did someone actually suggest they try to get hellmuth to play? hope that guy was a troll

so ppl decently likely to play: kanu, sauce, zeejustin, ike, jungleman, fullflush, jackrich, ben86, isildur.....then others, pimpylimpy? Eunjong Byun? Wilhasha? patpatman!?, if urnotindangr could get rolled.... obv not bumhunter 0human0

I wonder which of the decently confirmed guys zeejustin wants action from that he normally doesn't get (ben86?jackrich?), seems like a redic tough group to me
Here's a confirmed 1/100 persons interested in this thing.

Well ****ing done!!!!!
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06-03-2012 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ralph cifaretto
Here's a confirmed 1/100 persons interested in this thing.

Well ****ing done!!!!!

Or you could read the survey totals at the top of the page to see how many people are actually interested, but that would require logic, thought, and reading...clearly not capabilities that you currently possess.
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06-03-2012 , 04:48 PM
ralph cifaretto and the lifetilt guy (prob a level) should get together and make irrelevant comments about how 6 max would be so much better or that ivey/PA and hellmuth need to play for this to be legit. A big lol to those geniuses
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06-03-2012 , 05:00 PM
Great response by Kanu (whose posts I've never read before). Instant fan.
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06-03-2012 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanu
hey, didn't realise this got bumped, there is a chance this happens later in the year although it will depend on a few things. Given that it couldn't happen before the wsop it's been put on the backburner for a bit but I'd still like to see it happen. Thanks for all your feedback ralph but I disagree with you on a few of your points. I agree that it's not likely to be mass-marketable etc and that HSHU players aren't household names but that's not really the point. There is an audience for it and even if it gets run rake-free with no added money or something, there is a chance that there are enough players to make it run. The fact that it's not gonna be the most hyped event ever doesn't mean that it wouldn't be cool to play in for the contestants and cool to watch for anyone who is interested. I disagree that the stakes don't matter, a fair few people seem to rail the nosebleed games that run and pretty much nobody rails 10/20. I don't think you will attract a large chunk of the tv poker watching audience whatever the format so I think you'd be wasting your time trying to attract a couple of extra big live tourney names by having it at lower stakes.

My personal opinion is that it should be held at high stakes because it SHOULD be difficult to be able to enter. There's gonna be variance in it because HU poker has a lot of variance. If it's possible that some breakeven midstakes reg can take a shot and win it then it doesn't hold much credibility as a world championship. If you have to have proved your skill over a long amount of time just to have the bankroll to enter then the winner will seem like a worthy champion. Even though the best player in the world may not win, to even be in it and have a chance you have to be a contender to be the worlds best if you hold it at 50/100 and that's a big plus point for me and i feel like it would be for a lot of railers as well.

In terms of making it 6max, it just wouldn't work, it will be hard enough finding times for everyone to play each other HU given all the different schedules people will have. To expect 6 people to turn up at the same time for it day after day for any length of time is just not feasible.

The most likely format if it happens will be some sort of knockout/group stage i think. Looking at it, it seems that it would be too hard to get people to commit to a league. I think whether it happens or not will depend mainly on how the potential contestants bankrolls/confidence are looking when a time comes when it could occur so if you're interested in watching then keep an eye out for news on it later this year and we'll hopefully get something to happen. If you're not interested then that's no problem ofc but I do find it a bit foolish when people feel the need to come in the thread and post just to inform everyone that nobody will be interested. It's not supposed to be the next wsop with mass media coverage etc, but there are people who would be interested in watching and hopefully people who will be interested in playing so feel free to ignore it if it's not for you but there's probably no need to tell everyone just exactly how uninterested you would be in it
So could you do a league format do you think? But get it on telly with some TV sponsorship money you could get everyone to commit.
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06-04-2012 , 02:33 AM
A couple ideas:

What about setting it up similar to other sports?

1. There is a season with a schedule so everyone signing up at the beginning is committing to play every match they are scheduled for. To ensure this happens each player must escrow enough to cover like 25k per match on their schedule and they will lose the 25k set aside for that match + forfeit the match for not showing up.

2. Then each match is set for first one to be up 10bis or for 2k hands or w/e. You play a 15-20 match schedule lasting a couple months. These matches are on different days like baseball and not all at the same time like football, that way we would have a chance to rail as many as we want. Also, the scheduling makes it so we know for sure when it will take place and when so we can plan ahead if it is a match we want to see. Then the winners of each division + a wildcard player or something go to a playoff format and play down to a winner.

3. To give people an incentive to play you could have outside businesses sponsor each individual player like NASCAR does. They pay the player a certain amount for playing like 5k per match, just so that the match becomes +ev to the player and they have a reason to play. In return the player uses that company's logo as his avatar during the season and even could like post their logo on that players "home table" or something.

4. Players could gain "home field advantage" during their home matches by having the option to choose between 2-6 tables, if they want to play with or without antes, and if they want to play on deep tables. This gives the games many different elements and truly tests them as all-around players.

5. Once the top 4 players get to the playoffs they no longer have to put up their own money to play. Stars could put up 150k for the 3rd and 4th place finishers, 300k for 2nd and 450k for the winner or something like that.

There may be something similar to this already posted since I didn't read the whole thread but this is just what I see as being the best measure of skills + the most fun to rail + something that gives the players a reason to play + something that gives poker what other sports have that make them so attractive to the average Joe.

Heres an idea of what it could look like. Sorry for poor ms paint skills

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08-05-2012 , 08:08 PM
Hugely interested. And with the right type of promotions I believe many would be.
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08-05-2012 , 08:31 PM
seems like a really cool idea
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