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View Poll Results: Which HU championship would you like to see?
Knockout
109 16.62%
Group Stages
113 17.23%
League
212 32.32%
I don't care, any of them would be awesome!
121 18.45%
I don't care, why are you wasting NVG's time with this rubbish!
101 15.40%

02-18-2012 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanu
I would hope that isildur would play, i haven't spoken to him though.
Cool. I think this is a damn good idea just wondering if there's anyway of making it more railbird friendly without affecting its integrity given how such a small portion of hands go to showdown in high stakes HUNL. Something like show one everytime a hand gets to or past a flop? This can be done on Stars but obv I appreciate the potential dislike for this idea amongst players. Also try and get Nutsinho on board
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02-18-2012 , 11:16 PM
Whoever plays, kanu7 will win IMO. Isildur is probably way out of practice since he plays 99.99% PLO now
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02-18-2012 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by -sham-
Trying to prove you are the best HU player would you not want the opportunity to play everyone in the field?

If you break down to playing only a group you results are limited based on fewer opponents and increase results on luck of the draw.

My words may not have expressed my thoughts. Happens sometimes. I guess I was voting for a modification of Idea 2 not 3. Modifying Idea 2 where everyone plays everyone and removing the idea of a max capped buyin.

I'm simply trying to influence an outcome that is based heavily on skill rather than luck as thats the whole point of this thing.
yeah i agree, the problem is there is a negative correlation between continued interest throughout the event and having skill determine the event. There is also a negative correlation between number of players and skill involved. A standard HU tourney would be laughable ofc to have any claim of the winner being the best but quite a few people would play it whereas a 500k hand tourney would prob find the best player but isn't interesting all the way through and nobody would sign up to play. Hopefully we find the right balance.
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02-18-2012 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheerful Demon
Cool. I think this is a damn good idea just wondering if there's anyway of making it more railbird friendly without affecting its integrity given how such a small portion of hands go to showdown in high stakes HUNL. Something like show one everytime a hand gets to or past a flop? This can be done on Stars but obv I appreciate the potential dislike for this idea amongst players. Also try and get Nutsinho on board
Hole cards being shown in commentated highlights videos of each match would be an option but the players would hate this so there would have to be a huge donation to the prizepool by the site for the players to agree to it. Really going to bed now
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02-18-2012 , 11:26 PM
Such a brilliant idea. Billions of people could be watching a few nerdy internet kids play head up cash game tournament.
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02-18-2012 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanu
haha have to reply to this quick before bed i'd love to play ivey for sure and I never have up to now so I'm not saying he sucks or anything. If he is RaiseOnce then I've sat with him at 100/200 and 200/400 on stars a couple of times but he's never sat in. He now seems to only play other games though so i guess he's not too confident in his NLHE vs the top guys atm. The game of HUNL has developed rapidly over the last few years, the best players now would destroy the best players of a few years ago. Ivey is a sick guy for sure but having not been part of this development as well as being very rusty, it would at least take him a while to get up to the level of the guys who've been playing a ton for the last few years. That being said I'd love for him to play and I'd be as interested as you guys as to whether he gets back into it quickly and is able to compete or not. Maybe if this runs he'll decide it's worth putting some time into NLHE again, we'll have to see.
totally agree, doubt he triple range merge's either.
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02-18-2012 , 11:28 PM
i love any format and cant imagine why pokerstars wouldnt get behind something like this, and will also be fun to do a few degen bets on
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02-18-2012 , 11:46 PM
Sounds like great railing I'd love to see this happen.

I just want to say though; if this gets organised and stars hosts it then please ask them to allow all spectators or at least those with money in their accounts to chat! I really miss this experience on FTP with the big durr/JM/Isil etc HU matches: it felt like being part of a massive and excited crowd and in comparison it feels lifeless railing on stars with no chat.

I realise that there was a heap of spamming, idiots and whatnot on FT but it was worth it and you can censor the trolls.
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02-18-2012 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by novel20
Such a brilliant idea. Billions of people could be watching a few nerdy internet kids play head up cash game tournament.
didnt your mother teach you anything?

if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all!!!

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02-18-2012 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanu
yeah i agree, the problem is there is a negative correlation between continued interest throughout the event and having skill determine the event. There is also a negative correlation between number of players and skill involved. A standard HU tourney would be laughable ofc to have any claim of the winner being the best but quite a few people would play it whereas a 500k hand tourney would prob find the best player but isn't interesting all the way through and nobody would sign up to play. Hopefully we find the right balance.
a world championship has never meant that the best player in the world will win. once you realise this i think you will get rid of league option immediately, its just way too drawn out. knockouts main disadvantage imo is not that its more variance/luck but that some matchups u want to see are just incredibly unlikely to happen. so as u said, group is the best compromise but also just the best in so many other ways
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02-18-2012 , 11:57 PM
It's a tough nut to crack but if you want to market it and try to get some non total poker nerds watching I think you should def

a) set up some player profiles w a picture or something so people know who you are kinda and can pick a guy or two to root for and more importantly

b) find some way to give the more casual players some insight into what is going on under those closed holecards. How is a hard question. One alternative could be to have some sort of post match commentary on key hands that went to showdown. Just a post match commentated replay of some basic dynamic spots that can be interesting, funny, inspiring or whatever to someone on an amateur level. It also helps your point, which I 100% agree with, that poker needs to be marketed and generally geared towards skill more than dollar amounts if it is ever to get healthy at msnl+ again.

Another alternative is to have some likable and good player do all the post match reporting, just voice over some flashy edited replay or whatnot. Again, on a level that appeals to the non experts. You don't need marketing for the 2+2 crew, a thread in NVG w match times is enough to gather the masses.
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02-19-2012 , 01:30 AM
+1 - to player profiles.

You need to build up personalities like: WWE or boxing.

Now it does not require the same hype - but you need some grudge match ups.

You need some people to become fans of players.

You would also need the strategy.


Now you do not need to go into the top draw of your secrets but you have to have all the information out there.

Otherwise it will look like a crapshoot - and given you are trying to establish the best of the best. You need people having information to discuss and a rationale for discussion.

Using bad baseball analogy ( I am not american) - comparing batting averages...

So there needs to be all holecards as a minimum - so commentators and fans can go
Well here is a street by street EV.

Although Kanu7 won vs Ike - Kanu did run very good overall and particular in ALLEV.

You need multiple entry points for the range of fans...

- personality
- analysis
- statistics
- history
- nationality
Ideally you would have a woman.
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02-19-2012 , 01:45 AM
sick idea, can we have some satalights for this too?
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02-19-2012 , 01:53 AM
I'd like to play this
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02-19-2012 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dribzy
sick idea, can we have some satalights for this too?

not sure if serious
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02-19-2012 , 02:13 AM
Could I nominate Barbara Enright for the female spot
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02-19-2012 , 02:25 AM
It would be fun if there 3 categories hi stakes mid and low and stars awards a prize to any player who would win all 3 or 2 categories. That way lower stakes players could have the fun of playing an elite player and c if they can hang'
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02-19-2012 , 02:55 AM
haha yeah man ^^ why not? Would be a sick sweat.
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02-19-2012 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by loveminuszero
not sure if serious
haha yeah man ^^ why not? Would be a sick sweat.
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02-19-2012 , 05:25 AM
if u really want spectators, consider showing your cards after relevant hands that dont go to showdown

Last edited by skillgambler; 02-19-2012 at 05:25 AM. Reason: i'm aware of the implications
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02-19-2012 , 06:03 AM
SICK LIFE
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02-19-2012 , 06:39 AM
great great idea, just not the league.

probably go with knockout/dbl knockout and have it seeded somehow. last bit is the only complicated bit imo, but even if its seeded according to NVG rankings that would work
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02-19-2012 , 06:53 AM
Great idea hope you guys do this i would def watch alot of it when i can, Would be good to bet on this matches as well you should really try and get isildur1 play .
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02-19-2012 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by smooth101
Would you stop your bumhunting to play in this series?
LOL? I dont know jcl but he def is not a bumhunter
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02-19-2012 , 06:57 AM
Like the vision. Would def rail some matches
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