we can just assume anyone here is not who they say they are, if they are lying the real person can just mention it themselves and/or if they are real the real person can easily verify by contacting 2+2, there is no need for an investigation

2+2 has not done what you want them do even when well known players like Josh Beckly used the site to scam people and then later claimed they got hacked

the reason is that it sets a horrible precedent and you then need to ask when and where should the site begin investigating their users? A new account only makes posts defending Dnegs very passionately and insulting Deeb, should 2+2 do an IP check to see if it's Daniel? Not just that, but a lot of players want to be anonymous both for personal and other reasons such as taxes. The idea that the site could randomly start investigating their own users because some dickweed asked them to ITT is atrocious.

if they did this, me and many others would pack up and leave 2+2 for good because it sets a horrible precedent and opens pandoras box

another way to look at it is, you like this thread right? and you would like in the future for more people to post stuff like this instead of being afraid of being investigated and remaining silent? jfc man, gtfo.

also, lol at thinking people talking about complex vpn setups to defeat pokersites running bleeding edge geolocation software would then be foiled by a mod running a generic IP check

All valid points IMO make sense.

And after all these bans, what has pokerstars to say?
I've played with a least 75% with those names..Any kind of refund for the ****ing emails about that the game is investigated and nothing shows that your opponent is not legit?

And of course, Pokerstars super fast support...Is not supporting so fast anymore.Has to do with those new evidence coming up I guess.

Which of them did you play on Pokerstars and when? Stars actually has good security and they do not operate there, because they are either banned already or they will be banned before they get through a cartel

I have played with most of them, before they were caught or banned I guess a couple of years back. I have sent my compaints back then to pokerstars that something is going on, and of course they were always telling me that everything is fine, and that they got the best detection tools etc.

The way I see it..... Is that they will never refund me. I actually sent them a few msg's and they din't even respond now. I hope they will get what they deserve. Pokerstars are the worst scammers to me.Because they were trying to persuade me that everything was OK so the rake keeps going on

But their time has come.Anyone who believes that pokerstars is 100% safe room to play doesn't know anything! All sites don't give a single f*ck.

https://worldpokerdeals.com/blog/win...sed-to-players

Again, name specifically which ones you played against. They don't give their pokerstars screen names in the video so this is full of ****.

Albierie
Atomfred
v2the3
mavricckk
the1rake1
majcy
Helio_TYF
IKSecret
Ziroto
Helio TYF
anthonyff
OLD TIME GIN
spiritedreal
torg0th
Malte suckt
wuffl84
madonken13
TCfromUB

I would include a few more names in here but still have to wait.
All the above were mentioned.

more importantly WHEN did you play them? some of the guys in that list were 1k regs / good players and some were 300s+ before PIO were even public(or private for that matter). Stars did a good job cleaning up the games so if you played them prior to PIO even being a thing ya... dont expect much.

It was at 2015.

well, no shot for you then i think, it was announced 1st march 2015, you dont roll out something the next day, it takes many months, and alot of moving parts behind a working bot like in the op, people used it for study at first, potential to realise how to use it probably didnt come later etc etc etc.

I do hope you get your money back fwiw, just reminding there were a time before bots.

So the cheaters were playing by the rules back then huh?
Murderers were murdering before guns were invented!

I get your point TouchOfEvil, I'm just saying out loud mine!

Do you have anything linking any of those names to the ones in the video? I'm pretty sure TCfromUB is active here

Some of the guys on that list have been banned for years already so I'm not sure what you are expecting from Stars

fair enough, but back then bots werent made to make money, they were made to protect themselves from other regs developing bots to beat them and take their place in the lobbies, a arms race of sorts, prisoners dilemma. Think about it, the current 1k regpool was at the top, printing money. PIOSolver release was very bad news for them.

Nobody back then used it vs weak opponents as they made more money playing them exploitably, I mean, all the regs at that level have been playing other regs for thousands of hu matches to set the skill hierarchy (cartels) and knew how to extract money from fish and weak opponents very well for that time atleast.

Regs werent idiots being told what to do like most of todays botters are that are just following whatever it says cause they have no actual deep understanding of poker as they have to go to the bottom of the barrel and find unbanned people, there is probably even ppl with zero history of poker prior to jumping into biggest games nowadays which is obv v sketchy.

You mean this guy?Who was selling an advisor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gftwEq664Bo

Would you refer as botting an automated excel sheet or anything that can give you automated solution on how to play your cards right?

Postflop, yes.

Following preflop charts is not really a problem and isn't against tos on most sites(though software like the advisor you posted is now prohibited on stars)

automated yes but charts/excel docs in general no. Ppl in 2015 used preflop-charts as WALLPAPER in their grindroom. Even the sponsored stars players, and the good ole eggclock/rng software

I feel like an idiot having played these guys years ago

Dude, I honestly know and understand exactly what you saying.
I believe in players that are above the skill level than the average playerpool.And people that have worked their 'sses of. But gaining all those small edges, because, we are talking about super small edges that can win the pool + THE RAKE with custom advisors,custom bots etc is already a lost war.What I'm standing for and that's what really pis's the sh*t out of me is that those f*ckers were always telling me that 100% the game is played right.I'm standing here now and saying the GAME WAS NOT played right. WITH PROOF!

You can't say *hit to people (with emotions).You don't know where it could drive them. Luckily for me I've just lost a few thous.But others could have lost a lot more. You get the big picture?It's their job to be in GAME INTEGRITY..Not protecting the rake.They are paid to protect players to play on their platform. I can really easily find bots on lobbies.Why they can't?Or the bot thing maybe in this platform is just a small piece.

And one last. What life has taught me so far is that if someone can cheat, he would cheat the hell of what he pottentialy could. Who exactly can be untraceable in this world of online poker?

You 're not alone!

For HU even undergrads can write gto bots as a student project.

The OLD TIME GIN mentioned in the video was regarding another site. Pokerstars old time gin never used RTA. Fairly reliable way to see who did and didn't cheat is by trying to transfer people money.

Also quite silly to complain about Pokerstars specifically, because they have been by far the best site in catching people who use RTA.