It's not like it would even matter. Nobody in real life actually believes no cheat. At this point, you really need us to come up with a way to verify stream integrity if you want live stream poker to continue existing.

Yet you, who does not have the data, presumes they have nothing. "...the more likely....".

I don't presume anything. I'm waiting on it to be released. I only mentioned what was plausible.

Robbi/Rip were getting signaled by someone in the poker room. I wrote a long post about it

https://medium.com/@justiceforgarret...m-812c1038520c





Here are the cliffs...

-Robbi/Rip were being signaled by someone in the poker room on whether they should check, call, bet or fold (they were not being signaled if they are ahead or behind like commonly thought). We know this because Robbi is often unsure if she is good or not at showdown (she also misreads her hand, can only produce “word salad” explanations for her play and does not know if she is value betting or bluffing at times).

-Robbi/Rip do *not* cheat in stream 1 on 9/21 (lower stakes). They do cheat in stream 2 on 9/23 (higher stakes) and stream 3 on 9/29 (higher stakes). There is a huge difference in their play in stream 1 vs streams 2/3 (most notably *not* looking into the poker room [in a manner that could be cheating] in stream 1 and looking all the time in streams 2/3).

-Robbi/Rip play like casual poker players in stream 1. Rip splashes around a lot (calls 3bets/4bets pre with trash) and Robbi is weak/passive. In streams 2/3, they play wayyyy better and close to perfect at times, though with some mistakes (reason for mistakes explained below).

-Robbi looks into the poker room occasionally in the first 1 hour and 45 minutes she is on stream 1 but NONE of those looks could plausibly be cheating in my opinion. Robbi is often looking preflop which would not help much with cheating and seems more natural as she is not invested in the hand yet. Robbi rarely looks in later streets (which would be critical for cheating). Other reasons these looks could not be cheating is that sometimes Robbi is actually looking at Rip/Nik Airball, sometimes Robbi looks after she has acted on one street and before the next street is dealt and sometimes Robbi looks and then gets bluffed or bets vs air when she should check/call if she were cheating.

-Robbi looks into poker room almost every hand I saw her play in streams 2/3 when the water bottle was on the table (usually out of the side of her eye, sometimes even squinting or staring) and very often multiple times per hand, if not every street. Rip turns around in his seat and looks into the poker room as well in the middle of hands when either he or Robbi still have cards. Robbi/Rip often do this in critical situations in the largest pots and have a very high success rate.

-Robbi/Rip stall often in streams 2/3 which is a very noticeable deviation from their play in stream 1 when we know they are not cheating. Whatever signaling method that was being used was clearly not always available and therefore Robbi/Rip do still make the occasional mistake, mostly in smaller pots I think. When the pots got the biggest, I imagine Robbi/Rip did enough stalling that they would get the signal in those situations (at least most of the time).


***These next two points are not as certain, but still very probable***

-Robbi/Rip are only cheating in streams 2/3 when the water bottle is on the table. The water bottle (specifically placing the bottle on the table or removing the bottle from the table) was probably used as a way for Robbi/Rip to send a signal to Bryan (who has no phone in the control room [and possibly no laptop/internet?]) without leaving the table. It is not clear what this signal would be for (my guess is to let Bryan know that it is safe to cheat, or it is not safe). Rip seems to take off his hat as a signal/reminder to Robbi to change the position of the water bottle when Robbi does not notice right away that she needs to do this. Rip may also take of his hat to signal Bryan when Robbi has left the table and a signal still needs to be sent to Bryan.

-The reason why Robbi calls the all-in with Jc4h is very likely because the 4h and 6c were replaced about 15–20 minutes before the infamous hand went down and the person signaling Robbi thought that Robbi had JcXc vs Garrett’s 8c7c on a ThTc9c3h board. This is very likely the case because Robbi/Rip are cheating in every hand they play in streams 2/3 when the water bottle is on the table, yet the only hand that seemed suspicious in real time was the J4 hand. So there must be something special about this hand, and what stands out the most about this hand is Robbi getting dealt the 4h that just got replaced.


*** These last few points are definitely speculative. We are still working out all the details, but there is really no doubt that Robbi/Rip/Bryan/Unknown 4th/5th person cheated***

-I do NOT think that Bryan was relaying hole card information by looking at the graphics in the control room (this was a red herring). Instead, I think Bryan used his insider access to set up a separate system that would automatically send real time hole card info to the person in the poker room signaling Robbi/Rip (Matt Berkey discussing the vulnerability of the Hustler Casino Live server [which hosts the RFID data] on the Solve For Why podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMU3Ul9DNQM&t=5180s). This allowed the person in the poker room to be solely responsible for signaling Robbi/Rip what to do in the hands they played without any additional input from Bryan. Doing so may have been necessary because Bryan was busy working (relaying to Robbi/Rip exactly how to play their hands requires too much attention/focus), it would be difficult (Bryan has no phone in the control room [and possibly no laptop/internet?]) and to avoid suspicion (it could be suspicious if other people are in the control room and Bryan is supposed to be working but instead, he is constantly messaging the person in the poker room).

-I strongly suspect that setting up this separate system to automatically send real time hole card info to the person in the poker room required Bryan to create/maintain a separate database of RFID numbers matched to suit/rank. This is because something like a separate database would be needed for the card swap theory (4h/6c mix-up) to be true and this is the only plausible theory we have.

-The RFID numbers for the 4h and 6c were labeled correctly by the stream (so the graphics are never wrong) but Bryan messed up the labeling in the separate database that the person in the poker room was using and somehow labeled the RFID number for the 4h as a club. This is what caused the signaler in the poker room to think that Robbi had JcXc in the J4 hand.

-Robbi/Rip are not cheating in stream 1 and Robbi is not cheating in the beginning of stream 2 (the water bottle does not appear on the table until [3:10:57]). Bryan said in a 2+2 post that he did not work on the day of stream 1 and was late for work on the day of stream 2 (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1107). So I believe Bryan needed to be in the control room in order for the cheating to occur.

-The most likely suspects for the other members of the cheating group are Darren Attebery (Beanz) and Luis (the floorman). I do NOT think that Nik Airball was involved in the cheating. It’s possible the cheating group is bigger, but my guess is only the five people mentioned are involved.

Robbi/Rip were getting signaled by someone in the poker room. I made a new thread for it

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2.../#post57930007

Garrett wins 1.5bb/hand. Pretty sure that makes him the bigger cheater.

How many hours did it take you to research and write that Medium post?

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The great man Shakespeare once said that brevity is the soul of wit. How do you think this applies to your screed, OP?

Seat 2 looks towards the poker room floor. Interesting.

Is that a no?

if they're signaling each other, why dwell on the water bottle so much?

You mentioned one of many possibilities. I just pointed out another. If you don't think that someone teasing data for weeks and never releasing it makes it more likely that they're full of ****, I don't know how to explain it any better. I thought this thread was all about making reasonable inferences from incomplete data.

Well you failed at that a long time ago.

Can we please keep the thread to the subject matter at hand this time ffs? I know everyone wants to appear smart & quote ****ing Shakespeare & whatnot but if you look at the last thread its a hot steaming pile of dogshit because of people wanting to quote Shakespeare & ****.

Lmfao. This isn't a great start to the thread then, and it's hilarious that you somehow think you're above the fray.

He threw out 500 different accusations and gibberish, with 50 links to youtube. Which of the 500 conspiracies do you want to discuss? Don't answer because I don't actually care tho

Oh boy lol.

It’s a hot pile of dogshit because it’s basically people throwing out random theories and accusations just like this OP. Is there anything new at all here that hasn’t already been discussed in the Garrett thread?

Yet you typed it. Take a jump.

What exactly is the point of your question? Do you have some sort of extraordinary insight on how long such an investigation should take? I guess more specifically, how long it should take to prepare and release findings to the public?

Not responding to the usual clowns insisting on jamming up the thread with bullsh.t. If your opinion is there's nothing there then you have no reason to stick around.

I don't have an opinion on it (yet) so don't start.

They've already decided on and announced their conclusions, yet we keep being teased about the actual information they used to arrive at those conclusions.

I think you’re the only one being teased. So you don’t have any concept or notion of how long such an investigation should take, or how long it should take for the findings to be compiled and released in a report?