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12-09-2022 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
The stupidity in this thread from the 'she definitely didn't cheat' crowd is absurd. Is there concrete evidence in a court of law that she cheated? Absolutely not. Is there a bunch of circumstantial evidence that makes it vastly more likely that she cheated than didn't? Absolutely.
The only stupidity in this thread is from the crowd who still thinks she cheated despite all the legit evidence demonstrating otherwise and despite the cheat crowd failing to offer any credible method of cheating other than 'some type of signal'. The circumstantial evidence that exists from the cheat crew is just wild speculation and mostly not even relevant to the hand.

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
It's never going to be proven one way or the other and never was from the moment the scene was contaminated when people left.
Of course the cheat crew would obviously say this because it allows them to continue with their false allegations but in reality there were many ways for it to be proven. Someone could have spilled the beans to collect a cool $250k. Camera footage could have exposed signaling or suspicious or cheating behavior. Evidence could have emerged of Robbi knowing her alleged accomplices other than RIP. None of this happened because no cheating happened.

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
It's certainly more likely than not that she cheated,
Only in a fantasy world. I guess we can add you to the list now.

Will be interesting to see what happens when Garret comes back to play (he certainly will no way he can stay away). Hopefully he is continually shamed for his despicable theft and hopefully sued for libel and defamation on top of it and then paying her back.

This thread has proven how yet again how garbage and dumb the poker community is in general but it can't allow him to just get away with taking 130k and accusing someone of being a cheat just because he got donked.

Last edited by Roger Ramjet; 12-09-2022 at 03:57 AM.
12-09-2022 , 04:13 AM
Here are the facts

Woman goes on show and beats one of the worlds best in a hand with Jack high.

Woman gets pressured and gives man back his money , presumably so she can remain the center of attention on show that’s important to the poker community

The same woman has $15k stolen from her at the casino

That same woman is accused of cheating by then man she beat, and is regularly harassed in public about it.


Please tell me if I am getting anything wrong
12-09-2022 , 05:08 AM
Sums it up well.
12-09-2022 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Nice, I’m on there!

Tommo been mia for at least a month

Strange occurrence on a milk carton too

This thread is so dead that the tension is gone. I like everyone, feels like we are all buds now
I'm still following the thread, just been too busy with other stuff lately to post, and there hasn't even been any small developments lately to talk about.

Wish we could get more info from Savannah about her accusation that Robbi took multiple polygraphs until she passed. I always thought that was a possibility given all the circumstances and that she both did the test later than she said she would, and then released the results a day later than she said she would as well.

Seems like Savannah changes her mind every other week on whether she wants to talk about this stuff or not though. I can understand if she wants to try and patch things up with Rip for the benefit of their daughter, but it's unfortunate to hear all these things from her implying she knows something went down with poker cheating and wants to talk about it, but then changes her mind soon after and doesn't share the details.

Last edited by Strange Occurrence; 12-09-2022 at 06:25 AM. Reason: Fixed grammar.
12-09-2022 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Here are the facts

Woman goes on show and beats one of the worlds best in a hand with Jack high.

Woman gets pressured and gives man back his money , presumably so she can remain the center of attention on show that’s important to the poker community

The same woman has $15k stolen from her at the casino

That same woman is accused of cheating by then man she beat, and is regularly harassed in public about it.


Please tell me if I am getting anything wrong
Pretty sure you guys know that #2 and #3 are speculatory opinions not facts.
12-09-2022 , 07:32 AM
I am so sick of hearing people saying we just need to apply Occam’s Razor to "x" situation, as if it's some sort of evidence. As if by mentioning it the simplest explanation becomes much more probable irrespective of evidence.

It doesn't. It isn't.

OR is wrong much more often that it's right, at least in the way that most people are using it.
12-09-2022 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
By this logic wouldn't Robbi keep the 130k in the first place

...

People will make their own judgements and play or not play with Robbi and Garrett respectively and life goes on.
Very nice post. I disagree that finding the truth will surely not happen, but I understand where you are coming from though.

I think there are around 10 vocal accounts itt continually touting her complete innocence. Some of them are definitely separate people, I know of 2 or 3 for sure. Of the 7 or 8 left, I have reasons to believe that many are run by one singular person, so instead of 10 people having ridiculous stances itt, it is likely just 3-5 people, which changes how this thread looks for casual outside observers.

Last edited by happy to be hear; 12-09-2022 at 08:02 AM.
12-09-2022 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Here are the facts

Woman goes on show and beats one of the worlds best in a hand with Jack high.

Woman gets pressured and gives man back his money , presumably so she can remain the center of attention on show that’s important to the poker community

The same woman has $15k stolen from her at the casino

That same woman is accused of cheating by then man she beat, and is regularly harassed in public about it.


Please tell me if I am getting anything wrong
False
False
Idk (leaning false, if I had to guess)
Idk if she gets harassed, depends on what you mean by that. (Leaning false for a multitude of reasons, may be true though)

Another good take from you.

Last edited by happy to be hear; 12-09-2022 at 08:04 AM.
12-09-2022 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
I think he might be right, anything above a 16K gift is taxable

This “gift” was given during a session but it might be up for debate whether it’s a poker gain or loss. Poker profit is more preferable as can offset it with losses

I’m 120 credits short of my accounting degree, does Robbi have 135K poker profit and tax liability of a 135K gift? Lol
The $135K will require a gift tax return, but she is unlikely to incur a tax payment/liability on it. Anything in excess of $16K annually just goes against your $12M lifetime gift exemption.

https://www.policygenius.com/taxes/guide-to-gift-tax/

"In 2022, you can give any individual up to $16,000 without you having to pay any tax on that gift. When you give someone money or property worth more than $16,000, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) may require you to pay federal gift tax on the gift value above $16,000. There are no state-level gift taxes.

A “gift” is anything that you don’t expect to receive fair payment for. That includes giving money, investments, property, and any other tangible or intangible assets. You will need to file a federal gift tax return if you gave any gifts that exceed the $16,000 annual exclusion, but you don’t actually have to pay gift tax unless you have also exceeded your lifetime exclusion, which is $12.06 million in 2022.

Your lifetime giving limit is also the same as the federal estate tax exemption, so giving large gifts increases the likelihood that your estate will owe tax after you die (though very few estates qualify for estate tax)."
12-09-2022 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
I think he might be right, anything above a 16K gift is taxable

This “gift” was given during a session but it might be up for debate whether it’s a poker gain or loss. Poker profit is more preferable as can offset it with losses

I’m 120 credits short of my accounting degree, does Robbi have 135K poker profit and tax liability of a 135K gift? Lol
The gift is taxable to the giver,and while their is a yearly max there max the lifetime max is like 12 million. So anything over the 16k counts against the 12 million. There would be no taxes owed on this 130k gift.

She gifts Garret 130k,he donated it to charity. The IRS ends up with less money than if it never happened.
12-09-2022 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
False
False
Idk (leaning false, if I had to guess)
Idk if she gets harassed, depends on what you mean by that. (Leaning false for a multitude of reasons, may be true though)

Another good take from you.
i guess #1 is false because GA isn’t one of the world’s best?
Jamming a non-nutted flush draw on the turn where you might we’ll be drawing to just the straight flush outs doesn’t seem particularly brilliant…

But meh, televised poker.
12-09-2022 , 11:24 AM
yeah im just thinking someone like nick vertucci and the hustler people probably don't think the same way twoplustwo forum posters think, that's the real problem with this entire situation. if you really think about it.

EDIT: thats why this thread exists in the first place, in this particular forum server

Last edited by DancingFlamingo; 12-09-2022 at 11:26 AM. Reason: its legal
12-09-2022 , 11:28 AM
live poker > online poker.


but not for everyone. yes, intentionally cryptic
12-09-2022 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
I think there are around 10 vocal accounts itt continually touting her complete innocence. Some of them are definitely separate people, I know of 2 or 3 for sure. Of the 7 or 8 left, I have reasons to believe that many are run by one singular person, so instead of 10 people having ridiculous stances itt, it is likely just 3-5 people, which changes how this thread looks for casual outside observers.
12-09-2022 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
I am so sick of hearing people saying we just need to apply Occam’s Razor to "x" situation, as if it's some sort of evidence. As if by mentioning it the simplest explanation becomes much more probable irrespective of evidence.

It doesn't. It isn't.

OR is wrong much more often that it's right, at least in the way that most people are using it.
well, no cheat crowd really doesn't need evidence

and in addition that to play if they just get to apply Occum's Razor all the better. We just need one ditzy broad to have called with jack high, whether it be through emotion or misreading hand

Cheat crowd needs an elaborate cheating ring, people signaling from casino floor, a potential fake thumb, a conspirator taking his 12.226281111001037222% cut on TV, a rigged lie detector test, people afraid to collect 250K etc
12-09-2022 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Here are the facts

Woman goes on show and beats one of the worlds best in a hand with Jack high.

Woman gets pressured and gives man back his money , presumably so she can remain the center of attention on show that’s important to the poker community

The same woman has $15k stolen from her at the casino

That same woman is accused of cheating by then man she beat, and is regularly harassed in public about it.


Please tell me if I am getting anything wrong
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Originally Posted by Strange Occurrence
Pretty sure you guys know that #2 and #3 are speculatory opinions not facts.
There is a police report filed and an investigation with Robbi as the victim of a $15k theft. Do you know something the police don’t?

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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
False
False
Idk (leaning false, if I had to guess)
Idk if she gets harassed, depends on what you mean by that. (Leaning false for a multitude of reasons, may be true though)

Another good take from you.


You guys don’t think she was pressured to give the money she won back? She just went up to Garrett without him saying or giving her any indication via his body language that he wanted his losses back. Did we watch different videos?


Two different people yelled at her and called her a cheater at the wynn within the last week.


I also forgot to add that the victim Robbi passed a lie detector test saying she was innocent. The other parties have not yet taken said lie detector test.


You guys are hilarious thinking GA isn’t one of the top 500 to 50 best live cash players in the world.
12-09-2022 , 02:22 PM
Speculatory ...
12-09-2022 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
By this logic wouldn't Robbi keep the 130k in the first place

It's stupid logic Garrett wanted to show he only took the 130k because he legitimately believes Robbi cheated (i think she did too but it's never going to be proven one way or the other so moot point) and that he was donating it to charity so he isn't benefitting financially

If he changed his mind and didn't think Robbi cheated obviously he would have offered her the money back. In the unlikely event that she didn't cheat she was stupid to give him the money and stupid to do everything possible changing her story over and over and doing weird shady stuff that makes her look guilty.

The stupidity in this thread from the 'she definitely didn't cheat' crowd is absurd. Is there concrete evidence in a court of law that she cheated? Absolutely not. Is there a bunch of circumstantial evidence that makes it vastly more likely that she cheated than didn't? Absolutely. It's never going to be proven one way or the other and never was from the moment the scene was contaminated when people left.

There was never going to be a verdict here. Garrett is 'sure' he was cheated based on what happened what was said and so on. If he ever changes his mind i'm sure he will say so publicly. Robbi and her accomplice/s if she did know if she cheated or not and that's it

It's certainly more likely than not that she cheated, but also isn't 'certain' as in with a probability of 100% either. Anyone who thinks she 'definitely didn't cheat

People will make their own judgements and play or not play with Robbi and Garrett respectively and life goes on.
Ya, I was joking because that was the logic guilters used to "prove" she cheated.

I disagree that it is more likely she cheated than not. Most of the supposed circumstantial evidence has simpler solutions than she cheated and there are lots of reasons to believe she didn't cheat (such as the spot was a really dumb place to cheat).

I've never said she 100% didn't cheat, but I think it is more likely she didn't than did. I can be convinced otherwise though. For example, if it is proven that she took multiple lie detector tests before passing one then I'd probably switch my position.
12-09-2022 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RussellinToronto
Speculatory ...
Which part ?
12-09-2022 , 02:27 PM
The very word itself.
12-09-2022 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Ya, I was joking because that was the logic guilters used to "prove" she cheated.

I disagree that it is more likely she cheated than not. Most of the supposed circumstantial evidence has simpler solutions than she cheated and there are lots of reasons to believe she didn't cheat (such as the spot was a really dumb place to cheat).

I've never said she 100% didn't cheat, but I think it is more likely she didn't than did. I can be convinced otherwise though. For example, if it is proven that she took multiple lie detector tests before passing one then I'd probably switch my position.
Well that settles it, we need another lie detector test to figure out if Robbi took more than one lie detector test!
12-09-2022 , 02:28 PM
so what if we never get any proof? the cheating has already been proven in cute photoshops and winrate tables
12-09-2022 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
Very nice post. I disagree that finding the truth will surely not happen, but I understand where you are coming from though.

I think there are around 10 vocal accounts itt continually touting her complete innocence. Some of them are definitely separate people, I know of 2 or 3 for sure. Of the 7 or 8 left, I have reasons to believe that many are run by one singular person, so instead of 10 people having ridiculous stances itt, it is likely just 3-5 people, which changes how this thread looks for casual outside observers.
It's funny you keep saying people who think she didn't cheat are using multiple accounts but just completely ignore the fact that there are a number of accounts who signed up in Nov22 and only post in this thread about how she is guilty.

Your bias is showing.
12-09-2022 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
People will make their own judgements and play or not play with Robbi and Garrett respectively and life goes on.
I get what you're ultimately saying here, but there's more people involved in this story than those two.

Bryan was certainly an interesting standout in his own right.
12-09-2022 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy
I get what you're ultimately saying here, but there's more people involved in this story than those two.

Bryan was certainly an interesting standout in his own right.
“BRyAn was taking his standard co conspirator 11.35832567954865% cut!!”

      
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