If only their 10 wasn't a heart.

You’re being overly generous and diplomatic (as is your way!). I’ve been on these boards for a very long time and I can’t think of one instance off the top of my head where paid shills were likely. Like, none.

Perhaps when some online site like Merge was failing, there may have been legit shills, but the idea that people are being paid by Robbi to post on 2+2 is so insane it’s worthy only of ridicule. You’ll never get through to emit, he’s clearly lost the plot.

JackHi is a paid shill for Live at the Bike, probably. I don’t have any evidence but it would be very funny.

Bryan is being charged with a separate instance of theft.


https://www.poker.org/hcl-investigat...ustler-casino/

It's surprisingly easy to steal money in casinos, particularly these card clubs. I used to work in one and employee theft was rampant. If you get caught twice, you've probably done it a bunch of times, as with most crimes.

This is a theft from Hustler Casino, not Nick and Ryan's company.

The conspiracy would now have to include both Bulletproof and Hustler Casino two large, profitable companies that you wouldn't expect to care about $130,000 or Robbie getting followers.

While Hustler Casino certainly wants HCL to do well, the premise would have to be that they are willing to risk everything for the stream to perhaps do 10 or 20% better by having rigged games that are more entertaining, or something to that effect. And it's not clear that this actually would increase viewership or make Hustler Casino more profitable. So...

Not going to waste any more breath. This should probably be the final nail in the coffin for anyone who is not a conspiracy theorist by nature. It is virtually impossible to 100% prove innocence, and something that has a .1% chance of being true could ultimately turn out to be true. But at this point, the amount of exculpatory evidence is pretty remarkable.

"nail in the coffin" lol

This dude is just out here burying people alive. Bench unit in for the disinfo team, eh?

Hello grandma, I know you are having trouble keeping up with the drama.

Stones did an internal investigation. HCL hired a third party.

God bless you xxx

Who's investigation was inconclusive, and then one of the investigators followed the twitter account dedicated to exposing HCL as a scam. Nail in the coffin baby! Slam Dunk! Owned the haters! HCL could never do anything wrong because the investigator deemed that they might have done something wrong!

The report read to me as written by someone that follows this thread. Did anyone else feel that way

It basically confirmed what we know already, in slightly more detail.

At least we can say we've had an update in the last month.

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You have been one of the least honest. If you're not paid and the commitment you have shown towards objective reality truly reflects your nature, then that is sadder.

Also, not all 'shills' are literally paid shills. Many times what we see where a few shills take route, along with a couple of sock puppets for good measure, is that the simps who really don't have a ton going on in their lives (much like the paid clowns) join in with similarly ridiculous takes.

To the casual observer, they all just look like shills.

I try my best not to reply to your comments, as you are very set in your ways. But to clarify to anyone else reading, the difference between the hired investigation between Stones and HCL report-

The investigation into Stones casino, we were told someone was investigating it, but they did not release a report to the public. I'm pretty sure that aside from Stones releasing a statement saying that they had been cleared of any cheating, we got a tweet from the tournament director saying no cheating happened in 2020.

The investigation into HCL gave us a report that whilst inconclusive in terms of Robbi cheating, confirmed all of the security breaches at HCL from day one of this thread.

This should be a blessing for all of the pro cheating crowd.

Unfortunately because this report doesn't look into all of the same theories, it's been brushed off.

Neither one was an investigation. Nothing relevant was investigated. You are splitting hairs here. We already knew the security was nonexistent. This was a classic case of what they refer to as limited hangout in the intelligence community. What you have concluded was an investigation was actually just weak attempt at a coverup.

You have to be the most trusting sole on Earth if you're comfortable with casinos overseeing investigations of their own crimes.

What crime is a casino committing if players are cheating without their knowledge?

This is one of the more interesting things to me. The line between true believer and huckster.

The big Q anon accounts, as well as their liberal counterparts like The Palmer Report, always have a big revelation or new proof on the way any day now. It never materializes, over years. But neither they nor their followers seem to care. Again and again. I've even see it in academia (sort of) when feminist professors swore up and down that they had discovered snuff films and they would be producing proof in the near future. That was about 25 years ago. Still nothing.

Certainly, they must know they don't have the goods.

When you are holding an empty briefcase, you must know it is empty. So is it all just a cynical con job?

I think these guys are true believers. But they must also know that they don't have the ironclad proof they are talking about, as they've been promising any day now for months.

My best guess is they are working on the proof and see it as inevitable that they will in fact discover it. It feels like they are on the the brink of discovering evidence for what they know in their hearts must be true, so the don't see themselves as dishonest. So I guess that's what's happening in the other cases.

Chances are nobody else cares, but it was interesting to me.

I just wanted to post the story about Bryan being charged with other theft, as some have said they thought that would be important, for obvious reasons: it wasn't a one time thing between him and Robbie alone and therefore is not evidence of conspiracy.

Now that I'm being paid to pretend to not believe Andy is a thief, I have to move on. Then once I get the checks for pretending to believe the moon landing was real, I can finally retire.

Yes, most rational people commit towards objective reality. You should try it sometime.

Also, perhaps the person who spends the most time itt making discount memes shouldn’t talk about how other people spend their time.

Whether true or not, it has been said that Art was not allowed to play on HCL because of Garrett. Given Garrett hasn’t been on in a while, why hasn’t Art been playing? I’m sure viewers would love another savvy player mixing it up.

I think I recall something about Art not being a "fun" player to have on stream and that Ryan wanted more fun. Could be way off though

I’m actually surprised eminulb hasn’t gone to the jugular given what he knows vs the 4/5 other posters that are anti-eminilb/ etc. man seems to have humbled himself.

I understand your reasoning, did you know that fbi investigations even upon finding evidence further strengthen their investigation by finding more evidence. I won’t elaborate much more on this but the briefcase you refer to as empty, well the first briefcase was full on the first 10,000 hands. We are currently at 10 times that.


The streams post cheating scandal are just a proof of concept or further evidence.

Now… let’s talk about the third deck introduced? What’s that ? There’s only two? Oh . Let’s keep circle jerking this until the end.

LOL. The report which concluded that HCL's operation was riddled with just about every security flaw imaginable, is the nail in the coffin. The report which determined that an opportunistic insider with access to the production room could have facilitated cheating while leaving virtually no trail of physical evidence, is the nail in then coffin. The report which concludes with, "That does not mean that no wrongdoing occurred; it means that the investigation failed to find credible evidence of wrongdoing.". Nail in the coffin. Do you even listen to yourself?

I don't necessarily believe that GLI acted in bad faith, but my assumption is that they had an agreed upon scope for the investigation and that's all they were concerned with. They aren't going to investigate past whatever contract was drawn up between them and HCL. What degree of services and resources do you expect retain for $100,000 split between 3 firms? Bulletproof, a GLI Company, The Solution Group, Legal and Private Investigation, and Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton LLP. Does GLI regularly investigate active cheating scandals? It isn't clear from looking at their website and it's apparent that their main focus is testing and certification. I believe they are reputable, but did the investigation consult any experts who specialize in cheating in poker? Maybe someone with experience working for an online poker site's anti-cheating team? Probably not because that wasn't included in the scope of their investigation. They were focused on the single Robbi/J4 hand and a bunch of technical methods of cheating which don't necessarily matter if you have an insider.

As for Bryan being charged with 2 counts of theft, and you claiming that it is not evidence of "conspiracy", both counts of theft occurred on 9/29 and the specifics of the second count are completely unknown to us (correct me here if I'm wrong). Furthermore, Bryan "... had a criminal record, including a conviction for robbery", which means that him engaging in previous instances of theft wouldn't disprove anything. He's a convicted felon with a history of stealing and was still hired by HCL. Either way, this doesn't appear to be the case and both counts of theft were performed on the same day, possibly in connection with each other.

So how is this report the nail in the coffin?

Oh, another claim to have information but refusing to release it. Color me shocked.

No disrespect to Art, but if you've played with him you'd clearly know that he's never getting on HCL. Maybe things have changed in the past couple years but I don't think that would matter. This goes for like 99% of poker pros so it's not just singling out Art.

Investigators: "We failed to find any indication that there was no cheating, and there's a bunch of stuff they could have done to cheat."

Shills: "Nail in the coffin of the people who believe cheating is possible lol. Q-anon crazies think it's possible that people would actually exploit the security flaws that the investigation confirmed exist for personal gain? Don't they know that would be illegal? Case closed baby!"

Me: "Maybe we should check out the hand history guys"

I think they're doing my job for me.

My man is boring,great at the game but not fun to watch for the casual viewer.