How the hell does that influence my view of Bitar et al.?

JFC, when I get a response from Jeff I am well aware that he is on FTP's team and as such take everything he says under that light. That said, none of his replies to me have turned out to be false or misleading. Yes, obviously sometimes I ask him a potentially sensitive question and he will ignore it or give a broader answer, but I understand that he's their f***ing lawyer and as such I can't expect him to answer everything with numbers and dates and yes or no. I don't know him personally and I don't have to relay anything he says, but I do because others might find it interesting and can make of it what they will when we are getting nothing from other sources at the time.

Find something better to argue about FFS.

Has Jeff released new info?

What page is it on?

No he hasn't
It's on pg 350

Most recently he said they are hoping to get to a vote by the end of the week, but that's optimistic. They have tax and legal issues to work out.

Also said they he hasn't began to tackle Full Tilt points and related player repayment issues.

Working broad to narrow it sounds like.

Howard Lederer & Rafe Furst Follow in Ferguson's Footsteps and File Claims

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/1...aims-11523.htm

Jeff is not the enemy for crying out loud. He may have motives, but we all motives. So quit bickering.

He is only DOING HIS JOB.
Yes
DOING HIS JOB, that must be foreign to you internet babies.

If you don't like what he's doing go make change happen yourselves

Thanks

WHY.

Also if I recall, Jeff is either not being paid, or he is creating a huge financial burden on his law firm with this case.

Respect the man who is flying to and from US to Dublin. Especially since he's working so hard during the holidays ...

Great question, when CF filed I inferred he was just providing the DOJ information they requested since it came the same day as the corporate disclosure, when RB claimed his accounts I inferred it was for leverage to negotiate his own ML/BF plead.

HL & RF claiming innocent ownership of their individual accounts doesn't really effect the DOJ/GBT agreement, their personal assets are the only bargaining leverage they will have on fraud charges if they agree to this deal.

So while this shows they aren't purely interested in the players getting paid, none of us really believed that line anyway, so this way they can vote for the deal to look like they are doing the right thing, but then use the money that will actually fund the deal as a bargaining chip later.

This seems like great news for ROW players as the deal could be moving forward to get FTP2 online and them paid, with FTP1 BOD using 'angry at the DOJ' US players as pawns once again.

The only leverage some of them have; to bargain for less time, or no time, in the Graybar Hotel or to bargain for a lesser fine, is their cooperation in turning over all (or nearly all) their assets (organizational and personal), agreeing to some industry participation restriction and, lastly, agreeing to a plea. Until they think they've got the best deal, they can't let the assets go easily. Once the assets are gone they are out of bullets. This is pretty much a required tactical move to be able to negotiate.

Jeff is definitely being paid. I believe it was previously mentioned that he wasn't charging his clients extra for answering our email questions to him.

I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

sums this thread up pretty well

The optimist in me wants to believe they have to claim right to their own assets including their shareholdings in FTP in order to execute their rights as the owner of those assets.

I find it funny that Jeff is being paid out of FTP players' bankrolls to placate FTP players on 2+2.

can the people that are in contact with Mr. Ifrah please ask him if that has any negative impact on the negotiations between the different parties involved?

This is the latest from the other thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=961

thanks

So the DoJ hasn't given any consideration to the repayment of players yet?

We're gonna get screwed

It shouldn't. These were their personal accounts seized. There is likely a deadline by which they had to contest the seizure. Even if they didn't want to contest it they would still meet this deadline to give themselves options down the road.

Moreover, DOJ and FTP haven't started talking yet. Settlement type issues on personal accounts that were seized might be discussed then. Or if Lederer/Ferguson/Furst's money isn't needed to pay back players (in which case they might accept forfeiture if they are good people), then they would likely contest this regardless of how this plays out.

Also, don't know the exact law on it but pretty sure gov. can't actually seize their overseas bank accounts? So this would be more so like clearing title on the overseas accounts.

I think you're joking?

JI is working for the best intrests of his clients, and that is exactly what he should be doing, and nothing more. He is not working for the players, and he should not, BUT it seems that some or many of the best intrests of both sides are the same, and so he is sometimes, accidently, a semi ally in all this crap! His comments here don't hurt if you understand his real position is to help the folks who pay him!

MAy recent developments such as the announcement or real money cash games from Zynga for the UK in 2012 or the "un-patentability" of Rush Poker influence the ongoing negotiations?