I've read every single post in this thread and I'm going address everything in detail in my vlog that should be released Wed, Mar 13th. The one released tomorrow was already completed before leaving for San Jose so I couldnt fit it in there.

I briefly touched on some things in this thread that are being misunderstood. First of all, you cannot defend the indefensible and I have no plans on doing that whatsoever. As for "old school/new school" I'm going to spend a lot of time on that, but that doesn't mean what many of you think it does. It's more related to old school mentality enabling degens to continue degenning, while new school calls them out. Personally, new school is more in line with how I think things should be handled in the poker world.

I mean, everyone pretty much knew Edog was a slow payer but they gambled with him anyway. Why? Mainly because he was a sucker so it was a bit like laying a price. Example, if you could make an even money wager with someone, despite feeling like a 2-1 favorite, but also knew that it might take a year or longer to get paid, would you do it? Most people would... And did.

Erick never "stiffed" anyone in the traditional sense. He's never said "I'm not paying." he certainly has shown an immense lack of respect for people he gambles with by not making the clearing of debts a priority, but his intentions have always been to ultimately pay.

The Haralabos example is a good one. I know how much he owed Haralabos and it's just a mind boggling sum. I mean, just freaking insane. No, insanely insane. I have talked to Haralabos in the past about what a pain in the ass it was to collect from Edog, and while I get that, again, Erick didn't plan on "stiffing" him, but he certainly didn't make collecting an easy process.

The fact that Haralabos admits Erick has paid 80 or 90% of the debt tells you something. He can't be classified as a welcher. He pays... If he can, and if you hassle him about it. Indefensible behavior, but it's the truth.

I'm not defending Erick. For a long time I've given him crap about the way he handles debt and I think it's completely awful and inexcusable. I've had plenty of degen friends, but none as unique as Erick. An optimist like I've never seen before.

I feel bad for him that he put himself in this spot. It is pathetic. Just mind boggling. I also empathize with those people that gambled with him and weren't aware of his slow paying tendencies. They have every right to be furious. For those that did know, but gambled with him anyway, well they had to factor that into the risk they took when they gambled with him.


I have never ever ever spoke publicly about people's personal finances when it comes to debt. Privately sure, but never publicly. There are plenty of people in the poker world who I'd consider enemies, who are dead broke, but the public thinks they are flush and "great people.". I don't out them... And I won't. That's just a line I won't cross.

I didn't chime in on the Chino situation, or any similar cases, but this case is unique since its been outed and because it's Erick. He isn't going to like my vlog. I still consider him a friend, and I root for him to make a "comeback" but I don't know what's goiing to happen with that.

I'm owed personally a ton of money by a lot of people. I won't out them. In fact, I saw a guy last night in SJ, chatted with him for a while, and wont out him publicly. He owes me close to half a million and I'll probably never see a dime of it. I know Erick is also owed a boatload of money as well, whiich is somewhat ironic, but it's unlikely he'll see much of that.


I could write a book on this topic, but I want to save some for next weeks vlog. Anyone who questions my character in terms of dealing with "poker issues" just doesn't know me at all.

Do I see Edogs degeneracy as different from what FTP has done? Absolutely.
Do I feel like Chino, TJ, or Edog deserve a baseball bat to the balls for owing personal debts? No.
Am I jaded in thinking that because Edog is a friend? No.
Do I know of people I don't like in the poker world who owe MORE than Edog does? Yes.
Do I think they deserve baseball bats to the nuts? As much as I personally dislike this person...no.
Will I tell you who this person is? Despite the fact that I might enjoy this person being outed, its not in my nature to do that, not do I think it's my place to... So I won't.

Daniel, you are pretty awesome. Thanks for coming here and being real.

^^^^ seriously bro ,,,,,,,,,



ur due a ME FT.....hope u get it

The number between Haralabob and Edog has to be above 5m right?

trying to wrap my head around this... i would love to have heard the conversation that they originally had about that loan...

haralabos said he could have sat on the couch for a year and covered the debt and it's rumored he was pulling in 250k/mth from full tilt so my guess is that the number between haralabob/edog was between 2-3 mill...

Thanks for clarifying where you stand on personal debt in the poker world, and on the "old school/new school issue".

Looking forward to the upcoming vblog.

What Daniel has proven time and time again is the following:

Canadians Rule!

Ok, it can't be too difficult for us to figure out who these people are who he is referring to. I'm assuming that the person who owes DN 500k is a different person that the person who DN dislikes and claims owes more money than EL.

As for the person who DN ran into in SJ, frankly, I have no clue; could be a well-known degen or a supposed upstanding gambler; could be famous or not. As for the other person who DN wants to out, the name that jumps out to me is Barry G. It seems that DN thinks this person is considered upstanding, so, sadly at this point, there aren't too many left that fit the bill. Maybe Seidel??

Thoughts appreciated!

Terrence and Phillip


imo

Seidel actually wins mtts.....

Barry is a damn good guess

When millions of these start flying off the shelves EDOG will be just fine.

do not drop out of school Veronica Mars.

Can't wait for the vlog.....

I wondered a couple weeks ago why Erick was playing $10/20NL at Oceans11 in Oceanside. This explains it....broke and hiding out.

lmao

Do not bring Seidel's good name into this discussion without evidence.

Not defending Erick in any way but.....

I understand why everyone wants his action but I don't like the idea that guys feed of him while he's goin down. Most (if not all) of the money he has now pissed away would've been punted which essentially means that the betting communtity eventually just bled him dry but weren't aware that he was thaaaat busto. And then black friday happened.

I'm definately not condoning Erick but I don't see it just as simple as " **** you I'm not paying anyone...like a true scammer" but it could be as simple as.."he's just a bad punter that punted too much"

Daniel, really looking forward to the vlog on EL/debts/degens, etc.

I do find it interesting that you say there's no defending what EDog has done, and yet continue to throw out little qualifiers like, "He never said he wouldn't pay back the debt," or "He's not a welcher", etc. I mean, when you say "the check went out today" and it's a flat out lie, you ARE a welcher, no? Aren't these qualifiers, in effect, at least semi-defenses of Edog?

Again, looking forward to the vlog, I just have the sense that your personal relationship with Erik may be mitigating against revealing true thoughts on the matter.

i would def think is is Gus. didn't patrik say he was owed millions from someone who without the ftp payments coming in would have a lot of trouble paying back. i was under the impression he was most likely talking about Gus there he makes the most sense imo. also didn't gus start a website or blog after black friday. maybe a desperate attempt to make any little income he can? i obv am not in the know and am curious others thoughts as well

I believe he did pay the $2800 recently and has spoken to the guys from the fantasy thing. Considering the figures he owes, you can't really buy that he was trying to never pay this $2800. As for the whole "check went out today" thing, I could speculate as to what really ended up happening there, either:

Straight out lie.
His assistant or wife was supposed to send it and didn't
Was planning on sending it that day and instead said "went out today."

Again, based on the big numbers he has with people, I feel like its most likely that he didn't take it seriously and was nonchalant about it. Not an excuse, just my read.

A few guesses

1)Sam Farha - money tight lately??

2)Barry G. - Does anyone know what he's truly worth??? How much money did he actually give Mimi Tran???

3)Gus Hanson - if anybody became busto faster after full-tilt collapse, let me know

4)Where's Mike the Mouth been??? Not really heard much from him

I want to say 1 more thing about E-Dog - why is he paying $8500 playing a nice Shooting Star event when that money could be going to pay someone back their debt??? After 500 + posts bashing him, he plays another $10,000 buy-in within days.

Hey Erick, right now, YOU HAVEN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO PLAY $10,000 BUY-IN TOURNAMENTS ANYTIME SOON!!!! IDIOT

Thousand percent it is Josh Arieh imo

+1^^

Now Daniel... I challenge you to a sammich making contest!! Same terms as HSP! TY

Appreciate the quick reply. Good luck at the tables this week and beyond.

Daniel Negreanu,

Thanks for posting your thoughts.

You obviously have a better idea than me but was discussing with a couple of mid stake pros what someone like Erick - with his celebrity status and good looks - might be able to earn as a male escort in vegas. We concluded somewhere around $2000-$3000 a night. Is this a reasonable estimate?

$3000 a night for 150 nights a year for 5 years might allow him to play back some of his debts and restore his standing in the poker community.

So this guy has "paid" on a debt for 8 years to the same person, still hasn't paid back in full, but he's not a thief/scammer because he plans to pay it back eventually?

I mean seriously. I can see if hes a slow payer, that's annoying yadayada, but not paying a debt for years is thievery. If not in the sense of stealing money, it's stealing opportunities and time.