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Originally Posted by yesright
Im sorry, I think you are a hypocrite.
You sometimes deal with issues based on the people not the facts of the case.
You (correctly) called out Bitar, Jesus and Howard for saying nothing yet said nothing about your buds such as Ivey, Harmen, Helmuth ect ect who have kept equally as quiet.
All the above people now know they have dirty money, yet continue to play in high roller tournaments while innocent people have been left in financial distress.
Ivey claimed he wouldnt play the WSOP because he wanted the players paid.
Obviously we now know that was total BS.
The real shame is that I nearly always agree with everything you have said on these matters so far.
Your Vblog videos have so far been excellent, entertaining and funny.
Its just the fact its obvious you are treating/protecting your buds makes the context of you points seem very hollow.
I think it is really way too much to say that Daniel is a hypocrite based on the names and stories that have been circulating in this discussion. He is an outspoken guy who likes to communicate his opinion. And thats just what it is - an opinion, and strong opinions tend to be very subjective. DN doesn't have to say something to everything and everyone in the poker world. That doesn't make him a hypocrite in my book at all.
Of course he will not bash a friend publicly if he has a chance to avoid it - if he would, that would make him more of a hypocrite to me than anything else.
Where i disagree is the way he is trying to explain Lindgren and his debt behavior. Of course he knows him better than anyone here - but if the statements given by the victims here are true, it doesn't really match the impression that DN wants to give of EL. He does NOT pay when he has the money, and he will only pay if people pressure him repeatedly and for years in some cases. Apparently he was willing to sell some of his assets (shares in FT) when he needed cash - yet he was not willing to do so for a debt (Voulgaris). He will even lie, like the money is transferred or the check is in the mail.
I know that it is hard for people to understand "gambling finances" if they are not part of the live poker circus - but the way that ELs victims describe him is all too familiar to those who are part of the gambling world. Those are tactics by people whose goal it is NOT to pay - and if successful every now and then, it is quite lucrative for those scammers. Loans between gamblers are usually interest free - someone is doing you a real favor, most times even in the spirit of friendship. If you take this loan without the intention to pay your debt asap, you are a scammer.
Now, one thing has to be really considered with ELs case. The guy is not stupid or ******ed, he is gambling addicted. He was probably as surprised by the Black Friday events as anyone. Now his whole system collapsed, he used to be able to supply enough to keep things moving with the steady income he had from FT. On top, his shares in FT were a huge asset which also was gone overnight. I can not even imagine how tough this situation must be for him - he was basically more than set for life and there was no reason whatsoever for this to change. All over sudden everything has gone down the drain. Of course there will be a lot of regret now and he would probably do anything if he could change some of his actions from the past. He should have been able to take care of any debt issue he had. There was enough cash flow plus assets - now its gone. As i said before, that is never an excuse for handling debt the way he obviously did even when he was able to repay. But in the end, he might just be another FT victim. (I obv don't believe that he was completely informed about how FT was handling finances)
When the IRS debt is real, this guy might never get back on track in his life. And all the money he gambled away wasn't flushed down the toilet, in the end, it is with people who have made quite good money of his addiction. Why does no one raise the question about the ethics of people who loan money to run their business? Like giving huge loans for sports bets etc. basically abusing an addiction?
