Much of what you said is true.

I think this is quite accurate. Walk into any casino and check out the people playing. They by the most part tend to be really scummy characters and deadbeats. Sure you will get the occasional decent guys here and there but generally speaking what CGM said is true. People who disagree with this are either the top 0.01% who do make a living from the game or people in denial.

How is he going to name a bunch of random scrubs he's seen over the years? He was making an observation that the majority of poker players are low life scrubs scraping the bottom of the barrel. I myself have seen this. Go to any casino, any tournament. Look around. It's hardly society's finest at work. There are exceptions but they don't make the rule. The 99% of scrubs do. Face it, poker is just rife with scum, from the very bottom to the very top of the game, proven by Lindgren, FTP et al.

You mad? Just because you couldnt win and devoted a decade to the game doesnt mean others havent won consistently - without the ridiculous rungood many of these 'celebrity' live pros had before/during the boom.

The broke washed up live pros like Edog etc ran insanely good during the boom, poker was soft and they ran way above expectation. Now they cant win anymore, have inflated egos and were really scumbags all along but had millions to cover it up. A smart stand up guy who had a $250K cheque pm would be a multimillioanire by now not some scrub making fantasy football bets for a few k. I almost feel bad for dissing him tbh as I always quite liked Erick on the TV, especially after leaving Layne hanging.

You cannot stereotype everyone in poker because a few people put on pedelstals turned out to be degenerate scumbags. If you hate poker so much, what are doing with all these replies and opinions, just leave the game already.

Lindgren is just another ****ing scrub poker player, but x1000. Here's a guy that hit the jackpot, the motherload. FTP shares, rumoured $250k/month salary (salary lol) for wearing a patch and freerolling in tourneys. And even with $3 mill rolling through your bank account each year not to mention other sources of income, you happen to owe the taxman a ****load and stiff a guy out of $2800? It's an absolute catastrophe. He just reeks of scum. They say you're known by the company you keep. So if anyone is friends with that lucker I mean ****er, think more carefully.

+1. She'll drop his arse like a bad habit and find the next loaded man.

I'm not arguing that this isn't true. He posted that he'd worked with these people, dealt with them and yet he's calling Negreanu out as though he's got some particular obligation to name everyone who engages in scummy behaviour that he comes across.

By it's very nature, poker is about using deception to take somebody else's money. Given that, it's hardly surprising that the game is going to attract angle shooting scum. But my point is that why hold Negreanu to a higher standard that you hold yourself? If you think these people should be named, then why wouldn't you also name the random scrubs that you come across? Wherever it is you usually play, there'll be readers here who also play there and who know who you're talking about.

It is no accident that all these gambler and addict types end up on TV and getting endorsement deals. That is what pokersites cater for and what keeps gambling alive and what keeps gamblers coming. It gets addicts to think one day they can become the next guy who makes millions while beeing an unresponsible scumbag.

In some way the pokerworld is very twisted as we depend on these gamblers and the image of a phil ivey or make matusow. Its a sad truth that even the good guys cant survive without the scum and therefore we need to support it.

This is not true.

I'm not going to slog through all this, but it's baffling to me how so many people lack all subtlety of thought, and just lump everyone they don't like into one big bin.

Taking poker out of it, there are TONS of large, well-established, good-credit companies that take forever to pay their bills, many quite intentionally. I'm not saying it's necessarily good business, but they do it, because they can. If you want to be a supplier to these companies, you deal with it.

Then there are endless permutations of companies that are incompetent, cash-flow-negative, shady, outright scams, etc etc etc.

Basically, DN is saying is that, historically, Lindgren belongs in the former category. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not, or whether it remains true today.

But for people to say "ZOMG SCAMMERS THEY ARE ALL THE SAME WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING YOUR FRIEND!1!@!!!!!!!" is just intellectual laziness. Or innate stupidity.

Would it be fair to say that you are young and learned the hard way that a lot of people in general are scum, particularly when it comes to money? And you needed education on how the world in general is, not just poker world.

Hopefully you understand that poker players are no different from people in average, in good or bad, and you shouldnt be trusting with anyone when it comes to money. People may be your friends but most like themselves more than you when it comes down to it.

let me point out that this seems to be the cornerstone of your deluded justification for lack of prompt re-payment of debt

are you joking ?

ladies and gentlemen this is the reason why we have 5 dollar a gallon gas and 16 trillion dollars in debt as a nation

no surprise that our country is swimming in debt with clowns like this validating outstanding multi-trillion dollar debt

wow

there are tons of well established companies refusing to pay their debts

LOL

exactly

jfc

I don't think there is any point in having more than one or two posts ITT per person. People who bash him constantly I don't get. I've had my say earlier in thread. I think Erick's nice guy image is in tatters, his together image etc. But what is the point in repeating yourself.

I think the main thing that needs to happen is Erick needs people to wake him up. In reality he's gonna search for a big score and hopefully start giving his debts the respect they deserve. And TBH I doubt whether BV outs him or BA or whoever else will change the fact his rep has been highly damaged. I don't think there was another way, but at the end of the day this is clearly a common issue in the poker world because it's a world of gambling/shady characters.

Erick's faults probably are common, especially in the old school so if the old school except it in him and others than that's fine, and of not then out him BV et al. Style. But Erick shouldn't be dealing with the new school who clearly expect better of someone who exists in a world they know nothing about.

Perhaps it's because I'm not a fan of his constant views etc, which kind of feel like he wants to be the voice of poker, but after he slags his friend off EL I think Negreanu will alienate a lot of people in the poker world because of it. Daniel, there is nothing wrong with slating people you hate, and backing people you like (who've done wrong). That's called loyalty. Friendship. Erick's problems are out there for all to see now. What's the point in his supposed friend sticking the knife in, when he's down. And mentioning the 500k is typical Negreanu. Alluding to something without saying it originally ie Annie Duke, but dropping hints like seeing the person at the Bay101 and mentioning 500k. Perhaps you should keep 'working on yourself as a person' in 2012 as well. But you probs gonna say it as it is right?!

Funny that you feel like that, in Europe we pay around 6EUR/Gallon btw, and while I agree that its bad/****ed up that compiens act like that, I totally agree with what pineapple said before, and btw I didnt feel like he meant it a good way, just stating a fact(maybe bad reading comp. on my part).
However, it is undeniable that many smaller companies have huge problems or go insolvent simply because bigger companies dont pay them in Time.

Thats a really interesting interview, thanks for the post

This old school new school bollocks is doing my head in. It's like saying o well back in the day us old school vikings used to rape and pillage but now you new schoolers frown upon it. It's fairly simple in my eyes. You have a debt, you pay asap. You don't go round the bushes, dance round the maypole, pull the wool over peoples eyes etc etc. You don't continue lying and taking the piss. But somehow this "old school" system allows you to do it? **** that. If there's a deadline meet it, and if there isn't, make your own deadline of as soon as I have the money, I'll settle it. This old school shenanigan **** seems to give people carte blanche to say I'll pay you when I feel like. It's a farce.

lol you should come to Norway and see what we pay. You might have a heart attack

I think the difference is that one (the slowpayers) keeps up appearances and still invites new sources of $$$ into the poker community, and keeps the chances alive of the owed $$$ getting paid back (after the damage is done)...

... while the other (FullTilt) took a ton of $$$ out of the poker community and and generated some bad publicity that might turn off new people/players from sitting down for a few rounds of the pokers...

I'm not defending slowpaying. I'm just pointing out why one might get you more "enthusiams"...

So basically we have determined the definition of "old school" to be degenerate gambler scumbags who present an image far from the truth. Borrow $ from several different sources and run up huge debts which they don't intend on repaying. Then make excuses and provide some indefinite time in the future when they will repay. Zero morals, zero integrity.

New school - honorable and logical approach to borrowing when they simply don't have access to cash. They actually have a positive net worth because they are legitimately good at poker and win $. Repay debts as soon as possible. Get screwed over by scumbag "old school" players.

yea I agree, I actually was a little disappointed when I read DN's latest post. It almost seems like Daniel is bashing Erick to win a popularity contest and not come across as a hypocrite, not because he genuinely believes what he's saying.

I'm probably way off thinking that, but I do think that if DN didn't comment on EL, I wouldn't consider him a hypocrite.

Like I said in my earlier post, black friday, lederer, ferguson etc. that affects the whole poker world, commenting on that is fine. EL not paying debts, that affects very few people. There's no real need to comment on that if you don't want to (and frankly, why would Daniel want to? It's a classic catch 22. DN himself has done nothing wrong, so why put yourself in the position to have to call your best friend a scumbag? Surely not because of the 'ethics' of maybe possibly coming across as a hypocrite (even though that logic is totally flawed and wrong - plus I think bashing your friends publicly can be considered somewhat hypocritical too).

+1 to everything.

I dont really like the way DN is always giving his opinions on this and that and claiming his sometimes very harsh attacks on people are because he says it as it is. To me he comes off as fishing for popularity on matters such as fulltilt and earlier UB. I dont know if he said in his post that Erick will not like what he has to say because people feel that DN has been defending him when he doesnt deserve it. But if hes going to kick the guy when hes down, i dont think thats going to solve anything. And thats not what friends are for.

Yeah Negreanu really cares what you think about him. Did you ever consider that he's trying to salvage the sinking ship that poker has become? I know I'd be pretty worried if I saw the industry that I'd been a part of for decades going down the toilet.

that would be great, 1 person less driving around in his pulluting ass#@°#§e car.

$5USD for a gallon is cheap bro... very bad example.
Its more expensive even down here across South America.