Stop making a donkey out of yourself.

No it's true doug is king of the dorks, no wonder he's popular bc poker players are nerdy af. Dneg is ofc a weirdo spaz so it all evens out, dork vs spaz for the adoration of the incel masses. Also gg

More like a top fighter against a 2nd tier fighter than a fighter against a girl.

Fo sho.

I remember creating a thread on PokerRoad called "What Goes Around..." It was inspired by a tip from (I think) Tournament Poker Edge, advising people who steam too much from bad beats to also make note of the times they suck out on an opponent. Thus, my thread was meant to be a repository for really sick "reverse bad beats" – whether they were coolers or just plain awful plays where you ended up winning despite yourself.

I found it to be a pretty good exercise, one Daniel would be well-served by.

People complaining abt luck are the worst players--people complaining abt luck with millions of dollars to blow are the best players

lol. maybe he is so uneducated he would let you and seryserious tag team in and out. nothing funner than winning a bunch of money really.

i mean you guys are both obviously better players right since you love commenting about his playing ability?

Except I haven't commented on his playing ability. I've mostly commented on his understanding of how Game Theory actually works and on the statistical theory that games like poker are based on which I think his understanding needs much improvement. And, I'm well qualified to comment on these subjects.

Mason

This argument is something that really grinds my gears. Are people of Daniel's ability and above the only ones allowed opinions?

Sports would be a very boring world if I can't criticise Lionel Messi because I'm (allegedly) not as good as him.

I am not sure if they are serious but apparently Landon Tice is going to lay 9bb/100 to Perkins.

I agree, it’s laughable.

People like this are the ones who spend most of their poker hours on 2+2 and watching poker, rather than putting in the time on the felt and working on their game.

Rather just make comments and criticisms than make money.

Disappointed with how Doug played? Lol.

Yeah, what a pisser.

what stakes? I'm sure he could get backers on it, but is he a seasoned heads up player?

Hope they get free rake and we get longer sessions

I don't think it is even possible for someone to be more salty. Give up on your "education level" bullshit. Dnegs might be crazy, but he has way more education in poker than you do.

Incoming...

lol @ JB who apparently doesn't know who Mason is.

Who cares who he is?(I'm aware he owns 2p2). His "Education level" take/spiel IS bullshit. He is literally radiating boomer. I'm not team Dnegs, would like to play him at some game for a free milly too (nl or plo no problem) and I think he's an idiot. Although I don't think the reason he is an idiot stems from his formal education level.

Strictly speaking luck cannot possibly be measured here.
Luck in a HU match is in part relative to the players' strategies, - a certain card coming is more or less lucky depending on how the players' strategies react to the card - and this relata is simply intangible. Denying this amounts to the classic error of idealising players in a game as perfectly rational actors, i.e. 2 players playing GTO - an error that renders the abstraction inapplicable/inadequate. (And if we assumed both are GTO, then this whole thing would have been entirely pointless anyway.)

Fair enough but it grinds my gears to be sitting at a bar overhearing a bunch of former high school bench warmers talk **** about much the quarterback sucks or how every coach is an idiot compared to themselves.

Mason assumes things about Daniels intelligence when he has never played at the level Daniel has or proven his own wherewithal in high pressure, challenging situations that Daniel routinely puts himself in. People can understand stuff without being articulate about it. People can be good at a bunch of things and worse at another and it doesn’t make them dumber than the person who is better at one of those things. People can lose playing at the highest level and it doesn’t make the person who wins a fraction of a bet bumhunting at 5% of the stakes worthy of talking down to them.

Hope we get some live action.

Except I'm not talking about what level Negreany plays at. In fact, I'm not even talking about a specific poker game. But I am talking statistical theory which underlies games like poker and specifically in this case heads-up no-limit hold 'em.

I suggest you listen to a Negreanu interview where he goes on and on (in very colorful language) about how lucky Doug Polk was. That should answer any question you might have. If it doesn't, and poker is important to you, my suggestion is that you get to work in this area as well.

Here are the first three paragraphs from the "Poker is Counterintuitive" chapter, page 26, from my book Real Poker Psychology:

We live in the real world, well at least most of us do, and in this world numbers can get quite large and they can also get quite small, and this makes sense. In poker, if we’re successful, our bankrolls can grow to a large number, and if we go broke our net worth can even become negative, and that’s the way it’s suppose to be and this is also what we’re use to.

However, it turns out that there is also another world that affects us in many ways, and this is the probabilistic world, and here numbers can only go between zero and one. That is, when something can’t happen, it’ll have a probability of zero, when something must happen, it’ll have a probability of one, and when something might happen, it will have a probability greater than zero but less than one.

Now if you’ve been playing poker for a while this is something that you probably already know, but what you may not realize is that events from poker strategy to your overall results can be counterintuitive, and when this is the case and the result is bad, it can trigger tilt, both short and long term if your understanding of what is actually happening is lacking.

By the way, Negreanu said, relative to my psychology book, "that there isn’t anyone more unqualified to write a book on the subject than he is." Yet, much of what I wrote, at least to me (and in my opinion), seems to describe some of his behavior quite well.

Mason

Doesn't he have 99% of a HU challenge left to finish vs Galfond? ALthough let's be honest this is never going to the 50k hands.

Totally agree. This is basically the same sense that I have about it. The easy proof of this is the sheer difference in the amount of “homework” they were doing. Doug can be seen as the math based approach and Dnegs can be seen as the “feel” based approach that has been tempered by a bit of studying. Doug understands how to target what he needs to work on way more than Daniel, and it showed.

lol, gl playing Perkins with a fixed schedule.

A second tier fighter has a chance of beating an elite fighter. DNegs never had a chance of beating Doug. DNegs is a girl.

Why choose a girl when I doubt a little boy would have any chance either. Or just some average joe. Seems weird to bring misogyny into something that is basically an example of a mediocre (at HUNL) man with delusions of grandeur.