lol @ calling someone stupid in a perfect example of denying the antecedent

since you won't know what that is here's the wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent

And since you wont understand that, here's a webpage that might help stop you from saying such dumb things in the future:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...eat-sheet.html

Lol! Quoting Wikipedia verifies your lack of intelligence. The more you talk, the dumber you look, so keep typing away, you're making this too easy for me.

lol i will say that in haste to make my post I gave you a computer logic link, but you didn't even notice so it doesn't really matter

but yeah, go ahead and keep calling people stupid in the form of invalid arguments, it makes it way easier for your opponents

Oh, and regurgitating the stuff that your grade school teachers told you about wiki, A+ as well

Just thought I'd drop in to see how this affects poker and all I can find is a debate about politics.

Disappointing, seemed to be such a great topic and all.

I could see from OP how this topic would continue without politics.

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yeah we polititarded the f out of this thread, sorry

Studies have shown that 60% of Wikipedia articles contain inaccuracies, so yes, quoting Wikipedia makes you look pretty stupid. Like I said, the more you talk, the easier is it for me to make my point, so keep typing.

So are you saying that because 60% of wiki pages have inaccuracies(if this premise isn't false to begin with) the wiki page on denying the antecedent must therefore be inaccurate? Because that would be hilariously ironic

It's pretty difficult to comment on the OP w/o talking about the politics involved. Answering the question if raising the MW would be good for poker is basically comes down to if you believe if it would be good for the economy or not, IMO.

Meh, I thought that was the most accurate thing he posted in the thread.

If it wasn't for Britain, you'd all be speaking Spanish.

And if it weren't for the Franks and Vandals we'd all be speaking latin/greek

Quick fix for all countries with a struggling economy...

Raise the minimum wage ldo.

If the economy is still struggling raise the minimum wage even higher. Ldo

Source:

It's amazes me there are people who believe all jobs should provide a living wage. Breaking news: it takes a skill or trade to earn a living wage in the United States.

Why should kids who want to earn extra money while in high school or college be prevented from getting part time jobs because an employer has to pay them more than they're worth?
I'm sorry but the 16 year old asking if you want fries with your order isn't worth $15 an hour.

16 year old's aren't worth 15/hr but the richest people in america are worth 15-20k/minute? Makes sense dude.

How much is it worth to feed and house that person in prison???

Every single post like the one made by eyescrew has a 99% chance of being made by someone who was tricked into thinking that 'hard work' was the key to success and has slaved away at a terrible job for 20-30 years. Now that the economy is balancing out, the people at the bottom end of the economy are actually being paid what their time/effort is worth. People like eyescrew are starting to feel stupid about having worked so hard, for so little, for so long, just because some rich guy told them that 'that's the way I got rich! hard work!'

I guess it's understandable that they want to keep the status quo. It must be better than having made a mistake in hindsight.

Spoken like a true socialist. So rather than working hard and starting your own business or getting an advanced degree, you should just be paid what you think your time and effort is worth, and complain when others who took chances get paid more than you do? Ok, gotcha!😉

I agree that the 16 year olds aren't worth $15/hr, but the richest people are worth whatever they are being paid - if they weren't why would companies keep paying them?

YA!!!! And when I get beat at poker week in and week out it isn't because I am bad at poker it is because I am unlucky!!!

If a business cannot afford the costs of business, they should be out of business. If costs go up should the wage of the individual go up? It seems that the minimum wage does not increase to match this. By the time the government decides to wage the bottom, the costs have exceeded that increase.

I think that tax payers should not be subsidizing businesses because they do not pay enough. (food stamps, medicade, etc.) Then people become dependent on these benefits. Then when they raise wages, some of these people just reduce their hours to continue to obtain these benefits.

What is a person really worth? That is the question at hand.

If the wages go up the rake goes up. In the end the game becomes basically unbeatable. Raise the bottom of poker from 1/2 to 2/5.

I know this is going to sound like something a drunk redneck 'Merican that is insanely patriotic would say, but I still have to say it...

When it comes to the world economy America is the dog and the rest of the world is our tail. How America goes, the rest of the world goes.

I agree that if a business can't afford their own costs they should (and will) go out of business, but I don't understand how that ties into what we are talking about.

If what and who's costs are you talking about in that second sentence?

You don't think we, as a people, owe it to poorest of the poorest people in our own country to help them pay for even the most minimal human needs? Of course they become dependent on these benefits, that is why we don't make the benefits too good (very subjective) to still provide a way out - which of course would be to get a job and better their situation. However, increasing MW would create a larger hurdle for them to getting a job.

I don't know how much a person is worth. However, if we stop with the price fixing the market would tell us what we as a whole think the value of a working person is. Just like how it has told us that as a whole we think corporate executives are worth a **** load.

What I am saying about the costs has to do with wages. The wages have not kept up with costs. The government has helped cause the wages to go lower rather than increase it.

I am not saying that people should not get benefits. I am saying that there are a ton of employers who expect their employees to apply for these benefits rather than pay them a living wage.

The biggest problem for the bottom has to do with the huge numbers of unskilled workers. Basic supply and demand at work. Economics teach you not to compete on price. But people are desperate and will take anything now a days.

Let me be clear:

You are incorrect in making this statement. In addition to being incorrect, it is massively ignorant and shows that you literally have no idea what you're talking about. Not a single educated economist, statistician or mathematician will agree with you. There is no need to say what you think anymore; we are aware of it, and everyone has made their judgement on it. You might be the dog, but the world is your owner, not your tail.

Please stop talking now, I'm actually starting to get embarrassed for you.

"if you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough."

Try understanding better before you try and paraphrase me again. I never said anything about getting paid "what I think I'm worth". I merely said that people at the bottom end are starting to be paid what their time is actually(look up the definition of this word, it's different than you think) worth.

Actuating wages to properly reflect the actual market value of work being put in by an individual has absolutely nothing to do with paying lazy people the same amount as hard working people.

You can twist my words to fit your argument as much as you want, it wont change the fact that you're wrong.

And the entire world population outside of the US is embarrassed for you lol. I think I can handle that.