Gavz playing 2/4 and 50/100 at the same time. Talk about SNE grind...

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Ben86 (BB): $15333 (77 BBs)
wilhasha (BU): $14589 (73 BBs)

Pre Flop: ($300)
wilhasha (BU) raises to $400, Ben86 (BB) calls $200

Flop: ($800) 9 J 5 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) checks, wilhasha (BU) bets $500, Ben86 (BB) raises to $1500, wilhasha (BU) raises to $2600, Ben86 (BB) raises to $14933 (all-in), wilhasha (BU) calls $11589 (all-in)

Turn: ($29178) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($29178) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $29178 (Rake: $2)

Showdown:
Ben86 (BB) shows T 5 (a flush, King high)
wilhasha (BU) shows K J (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
Ben86 (BB) wins $29176

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

990 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 9 J 5

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Ben86	Td 5d	51.62%	511	0
wilhasha	Ks Jh	48.38%	479	0

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

44 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 9 J 5 K

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Ben86	Td 5d	90.91%	40	0
wilhasha	Ks Jh	9.09%	4	0

I love how wilhasha only plays against guys that are better than he is.

Doesn't that make him the fish

OK so he's been down $10M at one point, and may be down only a few million in his online career...over hundreds of thousands if not millions of hands. Wouldn't this mean he's pretty much a confirmed loser in high stakes cash games...

vigorish

As for Gus, say whatever you want, but I definitely recall Galfond, Dangs, and others essentially bumhunting him religiously for years. I'd imagine there's a reason for that.

it means he's a fish for the best players out there in some ftp games


tollerene says in his last interview that nowadays his fishes are confirmed 7 figure winners

I'm pretty much certain all those pros have a lot of money in the bank (even isildur,durrr obv,etc) and those endless debates about who has won/loss what,are rubbish.but nothing new typing that.
They're all smart enough to have money coming from somewhere,and I don't think they sleep under a bridge

It's almost definitely a lot less than a "few million", more couple $1 or $2 million at the max, over a sample size of somewhere between 1-1.5 million hands.

Losing at such a tiny tiny rate in the lineups he plays in means he is still like to 20 all around in the world, obviously he would've crushed if he only played his best games vs weaker opponents

If his flipping for 25k I doubt he cares if he has $1000000 or $1000100 in his bankaccount.. But hey, if someone feels that .0001% (or we) edge is worth taking, who am I to judge.

Does anyone have Ilari's average std dev? I can only imagine the hilarious variance simulations you could do with it

I mean, it's for sure 200+, right? 220+? 250?

17% fo Jeans? So it'a flip!


PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $200/$400 - 5 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Vaga_Lion (UTG): $11850 (30 BBs)
Ilari FIN (MP): $54081.50 (135 BBs)
Odd_Oddsen (BU): $23329 (58 BBs)
bernard-bb (SB): $8497.50 (21 BBs)
Jeans89 (BB): $14195 (35 BBs)

Pre Flop: ($600)
2 folds, Odd_Oddsen (BU) raises to $828, 1 fold, Jeans89 (BB) calls $428

Flop: ($1856) 6 Q 7 (2 players)
Jeans89 (BB) checks, Odd_Oddsen (BU) bets $1400, Jeans89 (BB) raises to $6051, Odd_Oddsen (BU) raises to $20004, Jeans89 (BB) calls $7316 (all-in)

First Turn: ($28590) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($28590) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($28590) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($28590) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $28590 (Rake: $5)

First Showdown:
Board: 6 Q 7 Q 6
Jeans89 (BB) shows J Q A 6 (a full house, Queens full of Sixes)
Odd_Oddsen (BU) shows 7 7 5 3 (a full house, Sevens full of Queens)
Jeans89 (BB) wins $14292.50

Second Showdown:
Board: 6 Q 7 7 4
Jeans89 (BB) shows J Q A 6 (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Odd_Oddsen (BU) shows 7 7 5 3 (four of a kind, Sevens)
Odd_Oddsen (BU) wins $14292.50

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

820 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 6 Q 7

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Jeans89	Jc Qs Ah 6c	16.34%	134	0
Odd_Oddsen	7s 7c 5s 3d	83.66%	686	0

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

40 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 6 Q 7 Q

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Jeans89	Jc Qs Ah 6c	97.50%	39	0
Odd_Oddsen	7s 7c 5s 3d	2.50%	1	0

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

40 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 6 Q 7 7

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Jeans89	Jc Qs Ah 6c	0.00%	0	0
Odd_Oddsen	7s 7c 5s 3d	100.00%	40	0

What is standart "average std dev" for some average nit PLO grinder?

.4%

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $200/$400 - 5 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Vaga_Lion (MP): $10217 (26 BBs)
philbort (BU): $23990 (60 BBs)
Odd_Oddsen (SB): $19344.50 (48 BBs)
bernard-bb (BB): $13784.50 (34 BBs)
Jeans89 (UTG): $13492.50 (34 BBs)

Pre Flop: ($600)
Jeans89 (UTG) raises to $800, 1 fold, philbort (BU) calls $800, Odd_Oddsen (SB) raises to $3600, 1 fold, Jeans89 (UTG) calls $2800, philbort (BU) calls $2800

Flop: ($11200) 5 7 4 (3 players)
Odd_Oddsen (SB) bets $11195, Jeans89 (UTG) calls $9892.50 (all-in), philbort (BU) raises to $20390 (all-in), Odd_Oddsen (SB) calls $4549.50 (all-in)

First Turn: ($52581.50) 2 (3 players, 3 all-in)

First River: ($52581.50) K (3 players, 3 all-in)

Second Turn: ($52581.50) 3 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Second River: ($52581.50) Q (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $52581.50 (Rake: $5)

First Showdown:
Board: 5 7 4 2 K
Odd_Oddsen (SB) shows 2 A 6 A (a flush, King high)
philbort (BU) shows T A 8 J (a flush, King high - Jack higher)
Jeans89 (UTG) shows 7 8 Q 9 (a pair of Sevens)
philbort (BU) wins $26288.25

Second Showdown:
Board: 5 7 4 3 Q
Odd_Oddsen (SB) shows 2 A 6 A (a flush, Queen high)
philbort (BU) shows T A 8 J (a flush, Queen high)
Jeans89 (UTG) shows 7 8 Q 9 (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
philbort (BU) wins $26288.25

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

666 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 5 7 4

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Odd_Oddsen	2s Ah 6s Ad	42.64%	284	0
philbort	Td Ac 8s Js	27.48%	183	0
Jeans89	7s 8c Qc 9c	29.88%	199	0

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

36 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 5 7 4 2

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Odd_Oddsen	2s Ah 6s Ad	55.56%	20	0
philbort	Td Ac 8s Js	13.89%	5	0
Jeans89	7s 8c Qc 9c	30.56%	11	0

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

36 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 5 7 4 3

Player	Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Odd_Oddsen	2s Ah 6s Ad	77.78%	28	0
philbort	Td Ac 8s Js	13.89%	5	0
Jeans89	7s 8c Qc 9c	8.33%	3	0

Probably somewhere in the 150-200 region for 100bb stacks. The deeper you play the higher it gets.

Just punching in 150ish (which is LOW for plo) std dev in a variance simulator produces some scary results

I don't know the game well enough to know if this is what you're talking about Clayton but there was an all with Durrrr where they were all in and Durr patted and then the other player patted so on the next street Durrrr drew 1 (maybe he lost confidence in his hand idk). Durrrr must have got lucky because he ended up winning the hand with a 7 low. Pretty interesting one.

a lot to learn u have

No, vig is short for "vigorish" which is derived from Yiddish slang from whatever the Russian word for winning is.

Don't be dim. Long term the EV of the flips is 0 (ignoring rake). The EV of getting $100 every hand is $100/hand.

So he's winning $100/hand minus rake. If you're rolled it seems completely illogical to turn that proposition down.

barcode is obv a boss either way but has it been 100% confirmed to be a dang brother? anybody suggested ashton griffin by chance?

i get it, but don´t get it ducy?

It confirms he's somewhere around breakeven/small loser. He's played 1.1m hands so even $5m is only about $4/hand or $400/100 which is not even 1bb/100 at 200/400 and loveminuszero is correct that he is only really down $2m in HSDB's tracking so it's certainly pretty marginal.

I said the same thing a couple of years ago and it's no less true now. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=12

I'm pretty certain the Dangs actually lost to Gus HU overall, I had a lot of datamined stats back then and trex was down over $1m to him HU. They did win against him in 6 max though. Think Ben Tollerene is being pretty honest in this interview when he says Gus is good HU but doesn't adjust well in 6 max. http://www.highstakesdb.com/3470-int...tollerene.aspx

Also, with 100% rakeback and 1.1 million hands at about $2.50 in rake per pot, using a rough estimate that accounts for the mix HU and 6-max, he gets about $2.7 million in rakeback!!!

can't look it right now cause my old laptop broke but i remember one session he played he was ~ 70/40/35 vpip/pfr/3b in 200 hands 3-4 handed tho. so i guess his std dev is huge. and some people call him nit lol. if i'll have some time and catch him online i could mine some hands to check this out.

Confirmed up after rakeback.