I know right! Dnegs' 5 final tables and 2 second place finishes during WSOP/WSOPE are totally fraudulent. No way should 5 final tables and 2 second place finishes be even remotely considered a worthy accomplishment. Sarcasm aside; seriously, WSOP POY encourages volume: it's the system, not the player mate!

He rebought so many times that he will have in effect entered hundreds of times, so 5 final tables out of hundreds of entries, all of the 5 final tables coming in high roller events with quite small fields, isn't that impressive.

He ended up $1m in profit over wsop and wsope combined, but his $1.7M cash in a $100,000 event got him out of jail, and but for that cash he would have had another losing series.

It's a status award for pros. Of course it rewards volume. Maybe it should be highest ROI for players with total buy-ins of at least half the money it would take to fire one bullet in every non-high roller event, or some other measure of playing a pro's full schedule. (Leave WSOPE out or don't include those buy-ins in calculating the minimum spend, but include it in money spent.)

This is generally how it works genius. Jesus Christ

It isn't actually, he was chasing POY, so was chasing points and min cashes, whereas nearly all other players are focussing on entering and winning one tournament at a time. And I am not Jesus Christ.

It's true! Except for winning, he would have lost money.

Don't underestimate the power of the herd when it comes to brandishing pitchforks.

Like him or not, Daniel is the most recognized and popular poker player in the world.

More recognized than Phil Hellmuth and Phil Ivey?

Probably on a par with Hellmuth, but way more than Ivey.

Oddly enough; even after all these years, the two Phil's, DNegs and Doyle are probably still the four most recognizable poker players.

It’d still add Chris Ferguson to that list.

They’re kind of like The Village People of the poker world, or the Spice Girls. Or the series of opponents on Punch Out on the NES

For popularity, it's still Daniel and Doyle.

I don't disagree. I'd imagine Moneymaker is up there in popularity too, even after all these years since his main event win.

he is winning the POY boys.. current players still in the ME will not surpass him even if they win the ME.

min cash in the colossus will give 52 points which is almost a lock for any player with 9 flights and 1 re-entry.

Yeah, Ivey's star meter will definitely be on the decline in the coming years if he can't play in American tournaments due to garnishment problems.

Having high courts in two countries declare you a cheater has a bit to do with the decline.

i think you guys should spend more time away from 2+2, the average person and even the general poker enthusiast think dnegs is the tom brady of poker

the other day i was pointing out sample size and variance in r/poker on reddit and a bunch of people downvoted me and said that someone like negreneau would beat an amateur no problem and sample size didn't matter - these people were neither his bots and liked poker enough to be active in the poker reddit community

on quora, i occasionally answer poker questions and literally half the questions are asking why negreneau is so good, again, it's not his shills or anything but real sentiment, if i write a poker answer unrelated to negreneau then people usually ask questions about him in the comments

if i'm ever talking to people in real life about and my past in poker comes up then I can be assured at some point they are going to ask me about negreneau

hate him or love him, he is able to both get the attention of the film crews and put himself in a position to be considered an all time great - you simply can't dismiss the genuine respect and admiration the general public has towards him

frankly, i have a lot of respect for him, he saw what camera attention could do for him and executed upon it perfectly - better than anyone else in the history of the game - which in itself is a major skill towards having a sucessful poker-related career

I overestimated the power, by assuming it was on Youtube as well.

Guilty as charged, in that my time away from 2+2 is rarely spent on any other forums, and pretty much never involves discussion of poker.

But my original comment was really about the viral nature of online criticism of anyone, not just Negreanu, and I've seen it often on YouTube. Thinking about it more, though, my sample size is likely skewed by the fact that a high percentage of times I end up there it's from a link generated by controversial/big news, which of course is going to get more than its share of negativity.

Meh, who cares what I think. I don't even care any more. /derail

The internet would be so great if more people adopted this attitude

Hi namisgr11:

I'm just going to use your post as an example. But you haven't been the subject of one of Negreanu's attacks. Here's an example:

https://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-f...omment=3563990

and here's two more from this same thread:

https://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-f...omment=3563992

https://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-f...omment=3563993

https://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-f...omment=3564037

Of course, when it turned out that the thing we blocked was a scam, we never got a retraction from Negreanu.

Best wishes,
Mason

Of course. It's that time of the month when Mason posts the same thing about Daniel.

We get it. You don't like him, and he doesn't like you.
I'd wager though that Daniel's poker celebrity has indirectly lined your pockets quite handsomely over the years.

Haha, are you Daniel's inner thoughts? Sounds like something that would go through his brain as he walked to another rebuy.
"If it wasn't for me and all my accomplishments all these poker players and the poker industry would be nothing. They should be praising me for all I've done for them, blah, blah"
I'm sure two plus two would be just fine if Daniel stuck to pool hustling all this time.

but for Steph Curry's 180 points the warriors would have lost the finals

but for all the points they scored, England would have again lost to NZ in rugby world cup semi

but for the big bang happening we would not have had to read that impressively dumb comment

what does the bolded actually mean? he was entering loads of events but once he's entered he's just trying to win poker tournaments same as everyone else. and yes we all get the issue around deep pockets and unlimited rebuys - blame the organisers. by your logic he should have tanked out of the $100k as soon as he was in the money because he wasn't trying to win he was only "chasing points and min cashes"

No. You don't get it. Negreanu has written that I'm mentally ill and regularly neglect to take my medication. None of this is true, and when it was pointed out to him that much of what he said in those posts I linked to was not true he wouldn't take anything back.

Do you think I'm the only person he's done this to?

Also, from my perspective, Negreanu, because of his great success, should be someone who's on top of the world and magnanimous to almost everyone. When he can do that then, in my opinion he can become a true ambassador for poker. Do you think he's there yet?

Mason