I'm not sure they violated any ACR t&C. Can you post the portion of the rules you think were broken

Soo... Who was the victim of this terrible T&C breach?

Pretty sure I did ask the question that they were multi-accounting.

In any case, they're not exactly 3 of the sharpest poker minds. If anything, it's to their detriment to talk about hands and bet things on the side.

I just want to watch Bilzerian spew again, it was entertaining.

Sure, I'll do the work for all of you. Since they show (and said) it was ACR, I will use that, and I will use most up-to-date that would have been in effect when they played.

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You may only have one account with ACR and shall only use the Service using such single account. Playing poker through multiple accounts, concurrently or not, with or without the account owner’s consent, is a violation of the Terms and Conditions of Use for any person involved in such activity.
**They have changed the wording of this rule. Unfortunately, I can see them (ACR + Dan/Bill/3rd guy) using the change to indicate no rules were broken. That argument would only be valid if this is Bill's only account and Dan does not have his own account. However, under the rules they've had in place all decade, Dan playing on Bill's account has always been strictly forbidden. To the point that you can't even log in to your buddy's account to play for them. Note, I'm not making any judgments about any of this (since that last bit I feel like should be fine) but saying if rules apply to 95% they need to apply here too.

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ACR further reserves the right to restrict seating and/or to prohibit Users from playing at a particular poker table or in a tournament, including restricting two or more Users from playing together at the same table or in the same tournament. In the event that ACR in its sole discretion deems that a User has engaged in fraudulent, unlawful or improper activity while using the Software, accessing the Servers or playing the Games, including without limitation a User who has colluded or attempted to collude with another User of the Software, ACR shall be entitled to take such action as it sees fit, including immediately blocking access to the Games to such User, terminating such User’s account with ACR and seizing all monies held in any relevant ACR “real money account”, including other accounts of said User, reversal or recovery of payments mistakenly made or induced by fraudulent conduct. Fraudulent, unlawful or improper activity includes, without limitation, engaging in credit card or financial fraud related to one or more ACR Accounts, improper play in the Games, collusion, and other Game misconduct.
**This is all that is left of a section that used to specifically call out "Team Play" and In-room collusion of "One player to a hand" that now appear practically gone. Seems they're more concerned with a scenario where Bill and Dan sit at the same 6-max table and communicate via Skype their holdings for max value.


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8. PERSONAL USE ONLY: Commercial use of the Software or any professional use as part of a business of betting or wagering is strictly forbidden. You are only allowed to play for Your personal entertainment and recreational play. You agree and represent that Your play in the Games is of a personal entertainment nature and that You are NOT engaging in the business of betting or wagering. In the event that ACR determines that the foregoing provision has been breached by a User ACR reserves the right to immediately block access to the Games to such User, to terminate such User’s account with ACR and to seize all monies held in the relevant ACR “real money account”. Before You participate in playing poker at ACR, You are responsible to verify the laws on gambling which govern the User use of the Software in order to determine restrictions and act in accordance thereto.

**this one seems clunky based on ACR's verbiage, but a single example of video/audio proof of this is Bill/Dan betting 5k on the 1k+ call on the river.


......Honestly, it is nearly impossible to keep up with all the changes this page makes regularly. Since I posted that important changes were made and up (I believe less than 2 weeks ago) they now say that Spanish spoken at the tables is acceptable with English. The fun part for anyone that plays there is they are of the opinion that they can change the EULA whenever they like and do not have to alert those already in to any changes, even if they strip it and create an entirely new agreement.

u must be fun at parties

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Yeah, I'm the moron at parties who is smart enough to leave when he realizes the idiots breaking the law on live video.

Truth be told, I'm a criminal, seems pretty ironical/coincidinky considering my stance here... but I broke the law by making a false report of an occurrence that did not show up on a ****ty webcam that was recording the general area at the time.

Perhaps that informs my view that these "rich" idiots ought to be put to task for publicly promoting rule-breaking. I already "know" where this is going. You don't have a near-decade long track record of thinking this nonsense helps your brand (and then wondering why you're so far behind top sites) and making the incorrect choice. "Winning" Poker Network would have had a 0% chance of still being around if in the US and was still legal here. Also, Dan "Weird That My Poker Winnings Are Exactly How Much My Dad Stole And Can't Find" Bilzerian would be in jail with his father if those investigating him weren't half in the bag.

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lol they are rich they are not going to get banned and if they do

1) They could find a connection to get unbanned (doug said in the past after being banned for a year for alleged 'chip dumping' he finally had a friend who had a connection to get him unbanned from some site maybe ACR I forget, and he is not a massive multi millionare)

2) they would probably give less than 1% of a **** , bill mainly plays on pokerstars

3) also if you haven't watched the joey-doug pod today I found they answered it pretty decent

Doug: I mean it's tough, I mean realistically ACR should shut down the account right? kind of a no brainer?

Joey: Realistically they should shut down the site doug , and not offer their services in the USA

ACR probably doesn't give a **** it's giving them good publicity and I don't see anyone except total life nits complaining about it

also to end the TLDR from their podcast they also talked about how they think sites shouldn't have a rule like multi accounting that they cannot enforce (people ghost all the time / play in the same house and switch whos playing etc)

Multi accounting is always fine for being big fishies like Dan.

It's a terrible crime for winning players like Brian Hastings.

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ACR is well known for its sketchy behavior. They have "server issues" that somehow only crash tournaments that have massive overlay (people are never refunded more than their BI.) They deal specifically with credit/debit, cash/e-wallets, and bitcoin. There have been countless complaints on various forums (including 2+2) that show how ACR delays and/or makes withdrawals difficult. I've yet to see their nefarious side, but given my issues with simply depositing or contacting support, nothing would be surprising.

Yeah, except they never have massive overlays (unless there is server problems) and they refund based on chip chop after registration ends. But please, give us more great info on something you have no idea about. I've played on the site nearly everyday for 5 years, they've treated me better than any other site I've played on and take care of any issue I ever have.

This hasn't been the case for me or anyone I've spoken to about it.

Every site will have massive overlays at times. Ex. Multiple sites, including ACR and Pokerstars, had >30% overlay in a few tournis on Christmas Day and New Year's Eve.

This is what annoys me the most. Bunch of hypocrites.


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Not just multiaccounting but openly 3 players playing the hands at times. Not that I think sexandwhiskey would be complaining.

there's a huge difference between doing it secretly and doing it on a public twitch stream for every one to see.

there was zero deception etc n if you can't see the difference and why what he did was no big deal u clearly don't play poker n have no real business calling him out.

zero deception? so sexandwhiskey was informed that it wasnt the account owner playing him but it was an entirely different opponent. unintended or not its still deception? what if now doug polk uses perkies account vs sexandwhisky and plays high stakes

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Is Bilzerian a break even or better poker player ?

I'm thinking poker is just part of his lifestyle's of the rich and famous act ?

Bilzerian's act is pretty good in my opinion.

I wonder what kind of money Bilzerian pulls down from marketing himself ?

https://www.cardschat.com/news/doug-...ng-poker-37727

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I've had this happen to me at least 40+ times on WPN, including last night, and it works the same way every single time. Whomever you spoke to about it has no idea what they're talking about, no offense. There is also a giant thread in the WPN forum that has been going on for years that matches up with exactly what I said.

Lol he's playing nanostakes (for him) and just having fun. Also doesn't this get perkins banned from ACR because of letting someone else play on his account?

He's obviously not that great. Probably a winner pre BF but definitely not online and at probably any stakes.


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LOL @ Perkins getting banned from ACR for this. Can you imagine the outcry from the HS community?

The reason the poker community puts up with this from Perkins/Belzerian is the same reason the community put up with it from Guy on the rail heaven games at FTP... cuz you don't look a gift horse in the mouth or chase away the guy who is signing your paycheck.

As Desert Rat said, it's the guys who are pulling money out of the economy via MAing (bleznick, hastings, et al) that we call scums.

Noit a chance he gets banned. He was talking about "putting $50K bitcoin on" ACR not gonna ban with all the potential $$ he can load on the site.

This, having him donate all this money isn't going to make ACR do anything.