Lol, right? % of players who are degens will be way up while tight middle aged - elderly players and otherwise sensible people will continue to stay away.

Sounds like a joke but you are probably right, games will likely be really good once things open back up. I just think there will be a lot less of them/lower tournament turnouts and guarantees for a while.

"According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the US has 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people. By contrast, other countries with serious coronavirus outbreaks have more on average: China has 4.3, South Korea has 12.3, and Italy has 3.2 per 1,000 people."

or you can just be better and make more money online with 0 risks

It was meant as a joke, but possibly one with some truth to it. Who's going to be in the poker room on day 1 when things open up? Poker pros who don't have much saved up and need to play to eat. Degens who crave the action. Coronavirus skeptics, who seem to have similarities to climate change skeptics, so you can make whatever assumptions you want about the demographics of those people.

The people who can afford to play probably have extra money from not spending their disposable income on anything else. People might have some extra stimulus money to gamble with that they see as free money. On the other hand, some of those bar/restaurant owners and others dealing with businesses that handle a lot of cash might not be able to gamble anytime soon.

I don't like playing online. I'm not as good at playing online. I am a US-based player who refuses to have anything to do with bitcoin and doesn't trust clubs on places like Pokerbros and PPPoker. What are my online options?

The north Mailand region has one of the best health systems in europe, its the richest region in italy.
South not so much.
800+ died today in italy

Society has a lot to do with it, Italian society is very family based, with lots of generations living together in the same home. So this means lots of old people live with their family, so it is hard to isolate the elderly in Italy.

well they can mostly only help young people now, older have to die, no capacity.
There are also way more people in the 20-30 age region that need heavy medication than what was expected. They don't die but if you're young you still in for 3-4 weeks on a breathing machine, possibly.

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I'd agree with this in that its going to take a while for economic recovery. Nobody can guess how long, but surely recovery across many business segments including poker, is going to be in the range of 6-24 months

LA is an anomaly in the poker world, imo. There were so many games running that even if only 25% of them return , then thats still a ton of games.

Rest of USA(world ?), not quote the same. Live game ecosystem is going to take major hit from multiple angles.

I watched the US Olympic Marathon Trials yesterday. The top 3 male and female runners go the Olympics. Two things struck me:

1. The second-place female had an average build, not fat and not thin. Distance runners are usually thin.* When my cousin won her first state high school championship in cross-country she weighed 65 pounds.

2. The Olympics and the WSOP are in the same boat. They both will/might have thousand of competitors and a lot of spectators, with those people traveling from all over the world.

I was thinking about this and I wondered what the drop dead date would be for both events. How long can those decisions be delayed?

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*I was 5 feet ten inches tall and weighed 140 pounds in high school.

Italy is a banana republic still run by clown joker Berlusconi aka the godfather and the mob.

They can't get their waste problem under control. That's why it looks in the streets of Italy like in the streets of India. Like a big garbage dump. Honestly look at pics from Naples for instance. Huge piles of garbage everywhere. Honestly you cannot compare these two countries. If anything its the opposite of Singapore. Dirty corrupt and completely out of money.

Oh and I forgot I'm from Germany and people from Italy are swarming into Germany now because of the joke of an economy they are having now. No jobs whatsoever no pay no nothing. Only if you are already really wealthy can u live there. But watch out a friend moved there and the mafia will extort you. And they don't have the code of honour like they used to have( no harm to woman and children was the rule) now they will just shoot everyone. Reminds me of Mexico.

This would mean Italy has about 200,000 hospital beds. They’ve had 50,000 coronavirus diagnoses, of which maybe 10,000 might require hospitalization. So this would only be 5% of hospital beds. Why exactly would this completely overwhelm the system? Some number here can’t be right.

Ah yes, because hospitals typically sit empty, just waiting for a pandemic to strike

They said 99% of the people in Italy died had other big ilnesses. You can google that.

But same as with China Italy is not to be trusted.
Europe regards Italy as a complete joke.

I understand why a 5% increase in demand would force some reallocation. But I would also guess that at least 5% of hospital procedures that require an overnight stay are not emergencies and can be postponed. Certainly nothing like “We can’t accept any patients over 50 for anything”. That’s got to be at least 80% of hospital patients!

I would also think that a lot of hospital beds are indeed empty most of the time in anticipation of an emergency situation or sudden spike in demand.

My wife had a baby a few months ago, so of course we were at the birthing center of our local hospital on several occasions. They had seven or eight rooms that could be used for patients/deliveries, but I don’t think I ever saw more than two of them occupied. But it was good to know they could handle a big surge in patients if needed.

Washoe, you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the Italian people again. Ever.

Counting available beds serves a purposes but probably not much more important than counting doctors. It appears that the largest contributing factors to death as a result of COVID-19 are...

1) overall health of those infected (including all factors.. age, underlying conditions, etc.)

2) access to ventilators and similar equipment for those with the most acute symptoms.

IMO when all is said and done, it will be these two that are most responsible for numbers of deaths.

Korea did massive testing early on, isolated everyone who tested positive. By the time Italy (and USA#9) ramped up testing, it was way too late for that.

Molly weighs 105 pounds and pretty famously has struggled with eating disorders all her life. She had to miss time because she had bone loss from eating so little.

As I understand the problem, it’s not so much total beds as it is ICU and ventilator beds.

1. You can accept that not everything is going to be to your preference these days, and play at an online site that offers games in your area (or move to Nevada, NJ, Del. if you must to access an "acceptable" online site),

Or

2. Wait this out,

or

3. Organize a provate game on some play money site or app and trust everyone you invite to settle up accounts amongst themselves.

Brother I love u too. But how do u know I'm the older one and not the younger one?

Anyhow I never take sides against the Italians. All of this is true. Thousands of Italians come here in my city and tell us these stories. I love Italians their food and their way of life. And basically I could say bad things of every nation. Bit this is to explain the numbers.
I found these numbers from Italy very sketchy.
And now they make sense to me.

And again ever number we see is only a fraction of what is really out there.

Peace and heads up.

Spread the word they need people to sew fabric masks, which will be sterilized and reused. This should be started everywhere.

https://www.courierpress.com/story/n...Z_XheND06nYGds

Arnold is batsh*t crazy.

"We have a very small house here."

Do you think those room would be empty if they were free?
You think they're empty bc they're not needed or bc they bankrupt families?