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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Anyone remember Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker? They had pulled tonnes of shady **** even before the whole super user scandal, and even after that broke, their traffic remained strong. Not what it was, of course, but far more than it should have been. And that included a lot of 2+2ers - further evidence of that would be the Absolute Poker / Ultimate Bet victim remission thread.
Even the worst case of what people think may have been/is happening at WPN is not even remotely close to what happened at Cereus, so it should be no surprise if plenty of people still play in their big events, especially when they see what they believe is going to be a big overlay.
I played AP quite a lot back then, and I agree that what is happening at WPN is not even remotely close to what happened at Cereus. WPN's problem is far worse. Cereus had a problem with superuser accounts that destroyed the best high stakes cash game players and ran through a few of the major mtt's. As bad as this was, there were still fish everywhere, and it didn't really affect the mid stakes, low stakes or micro stakes games at all. WPN has virtually no fish, and can't even offer a fair 1c/2c game. As bad as what happened to people like Prahlad was, it didn't affect everyone on the site and as far as I know, all the other games were as safe to play as any other games on the internet.
I lived in a place at that time that had really bad internet service, I was constantly dropping connection with my desktop and switching to a laptop with a different internet provider. More than a handful of times, they shut me down and made me explain the problems before allowing me to continue. So at least I know that Cereus had a security department that was constantly on the lookout for shady activity, rather than one pleb waiting for someone to send them a complaint so he can send a vague reply while never actually doing anything.
I'm not trying to praise Cereus, and I'm certainly not saying that a bot account is worse than a superuser account. But comparing a couple superuser accounts across an entire network filled with fish, to a network that has a huge percentage of all its seats, in all of its games filled with bots and cheaters, ...I'll take Cereus, ainec.