https://www.uspoker.com/blog/22-bans...-issues/22148/

Nagy actually speaks:

I remember Nagy saying quite emphatically in a podcast that he would ban real players by accident to illustrate how determined he is to getting rid of bots.

I guess it's good he finally acknowledged the ****storm, but it's a pretty cookie cutter response

And there is at least one point where he is leaving out a thing or two. He said that he wasn't able to respond because he was on a family vacation in Colombia, but a business associate of his let slip in the internet forum that he saw him in London.

Also I think his explanation of how he isn't responding on social media to the claims that have been made because they are "unfair" is ridiculous. If they are unfair, then the first thing a competent CEO would do is take to every platform available to expose them as false.


Also there are some more troubling developments out of acr.

From the withdraw/deposit thread in the internet forum:



So now, we have Nagy in two lies. The first is that WPN is going to be so hard on bots that some real players will be "collateral damage," the second one is about how he will always get players their money.


Winning_TD was caught lying about how the WPN forum wasn't closed because of not responding to an email, to which Mr. Malmuth immediately refuted.


I cannot find a single reason for any player to deposit another cent on WPN until they clean out the sewer from top to bottom.

can u clear ur inbox, joey?

Most sites have poor security. Saying you have better security than most isn't saying much. While it may be true it's still insufficient. The criticism is completely justified.

well if the vast majority is discovered in house why this week is the first ever report of a refund?

and laws pfffff so break every law you can and then follow the law of privacy
what privacy laws we talking about here

and then also say in same breath using the law only works in most blatant cases implying the recourse for law sucks.

also comparing wpn to pstars security and speaking to someone at pstars security pffff like wpn is publicly traded and needs to follow privacy laws

funny stuff

New video talking about the Winning Poker Network CONFIRMING cheating on the site & issuing refunds to cash game players, bots being banned & reappearing, comments made by ACR CEO & the connection between software creator IG Soft & shady skin PokerKing..

I don't play at ACR and haven't for years but thank you, Joey. Good work.

13:37. Coincidence?

solid work papi. at this point I wouldn't be surprised in the least to learn that in addition to bots there is insider superusing going on. Mr Nagy doesn't seem like an honest, stand up individual. could easily see him pulling a Russ Hamilton on everyone.

in any case, keep up the great work Joey! the poker world needs more people like you in it. massive PLO karmic upswing coming your way, best believe!!!

damnn thats not good.. Software creator has ability to make accounts and runs his own skin? SuperUser looking possible now.. I think the RNG needs an audit after every server update.

I mean, super using is definitely plausible on these black market poker sites. It's totally plausible that someone could be using a modified client that allows them to see hole cards and/or runouts. They would just need to play their cards wisely in order to not be detected. (Basically don't pull a POTRIPPER.)

All of this would be so much harder to detect on Bovada due to its anonymous nature.

I think people underestimate how hard this is to detect. And yeah, a smart superuser can come off as "just another solid regular." It's messed up.

+1

And many thanks once again to Joe Ingram, a true hero for poker.

A win for Papi!

Can we get a response from Chase Thunder?

yeah TY private I papi
we can't erect that shrine after all we didn't get any refunds for the husng bot ring they let run for years, we will make a snowman with this fresh snow and put a tank top on it in honor of you!

What is everyone's thoughts on if WPN are potentially manipulating RNG in cash games?

That's probably heading into rigtard land. I think superusers are more likely than that, and superusers are pretty unlikely. I do think collusion and people using real-time GTO helper software are the most likely things going on.

I am currently about as anti-WPN as anyone can be, and my thoughts are simple: no, RNG works fine. It might be the only thing that works correctly in their software/network, but it seems fine to me.

Yea sounds pretty rigtard but a few people in this thread have said something about it so I just wanted to bring it up

I don't think it's fair to dismiss it as "rigtard," especially given what we already know about WPN.

The key thing to realize is that we're talking about a black market here. And so we should expect absurd levels of corruption and even outright fraud, as there are strong incentives for both.

I agree with the second part, but not the first. If the site/network were going to intentionally cheat, then rigging an RNG is probably the worst way that they could do it.

I responded to the wrong comment and now can't edit it unfortunately; I was talking about WorldzMine's comment that "superusers are pretty unlikely," not RNG rigging.

I agree that RNG rigging would be the worst and least likely way to cheat and can be pretty much fully dismissed as a possibility.

But the odds of other forms of fraud such as superusing, multi-accounting, ponzi-schemes with player deposits, and other shenanigans are substantially higher in the case of a black market such as the U.S. online poker market.

Agree completely.

How does any site fight/prevent this? The ability to somehow tie in a GTO solver to all the data in a HUD is pretty damaging to the game I would think.

I don't see a way to prevent this. The writing has been on the wall for more than a decade now.

The only solution is new poker variants that are too complex to collect meaningful data on/approximately solve.

Online poker in its current form is doomed.

Doomed... doomed.

Online poker doesn't exist anymore. Maybe somewhere in Europe.