From three years ago, Deeb giving Schindler the ol' slow roll

I think you're probably right about this, but the situation is definitely signaling to more would-be cheaters that they should go ahead and fire up the dream machine. Nothing bad will really happen to you, and you'll become a better player faster while you are printing! Poker already attracts a lot of unethical people... known cheaters winning on the biggest stage is not making that situation better.

Chicago Joey or Polk should get this guy on their podcast immediately!! What an intellectual specimen!!!

It's easy to look at this situation thru the tunnel vision of someone who already has knowledge of the poker community. There's very definitely going to be people new to the game who will have watched either of those HR final tables and heard the commentary. At the very least there will be people who have read this on the WSOP site.



It's almost beyond belief that the WSOP would write that third paragraph on their own website

This thread is a good reminder that there is so much scum involved in poker and how everyone needs to stay vigilant.

Wouldn’t the conservative route be to temp ban them until more details surface?

I mean if there are “allegations” you’d think wsop would at least look into some of it and act accordingly.

Having been cheated on multiple sites I would just like to see some justice for once.

Literally all of poker has a vested interest in cheaters being banned and blocked. Of course there’s only 6 pages to this thread bc it’s kinda just boring to talk about the same thing over and over again.

I don’t know, it’s seems like quite a small sub section of people that you would be concerned about. Not many newbie recs would be savy enough to learn about the conduct of a few high rollers and run for the hills because of it. It’s a long shot parlay for each person.

This is mostly just an issue of the 50 or so regulars who play these events and how they choose to police themselves. But everyone going in should realize there would be stuff going on with people having chunks of each other.

Good. Glad I wasn't going crazy thinking that Jake's logic was faulty.

The fact that Jake declined to comment after winning his first bracelet speaks volumes. Only a cheater would refuse an interview and the opportunity to deny the allegations against him.

Same goes for Imsirovic when Dan Smith asked him earlier in the Series if he was going to address the cheating allegations.

Iirc Brewer (who was also banned from GG) made a statement where he admitted to using charts. Ali and Jake haven’t said anything to my knowledge.

The obvious conclusion is that Ali and Jake cheated worse than preflop charts. It seems like both used RTA, and I don’t understand why the WSOP doesn’t take it upon themselves to interview these guys and investigate further. If one of these guys makes a deep run in the Main Event it would be a terrible black eye for poker in general and the WSOP specifically.

obviously they want to interview both but it's kind of hard when the subject LITERALLY runs out of the room as soon as he busts a tournament, as Jake Schindler did in the 25k HU Championship last week. in case you missed it, the moment he busted he ran out of the room. luckily his seat was right next to the room exit, so he just dipped. unfortunately for him he forgot that his cell phone was plugged in and charging, so he had to scurry back in, grab his phone in embarrassment, then ran off to hide in his hotel room.

you can't force people to do interviews with these losers.

I thought that was Ali at the 25K PGT Heads-Up Showdown?

could be, i've watched so much stuff in the past two weeks that it's hard to know what is what. regardless, one of the cheaters was running out of the room like a little bitch to avoid any confrontation.

edit: yeah, it was Ali. i remember him wearing that colorful pokemon hoodie or whatever... ironically the least incognito piece of clothing he could've chosen.

When have you heard any sports reporter in any sport actually ask a player hard and unpleasant questions? It just almost never happens.

Yea, it's pretty undeniable that if he had any defense to all these allegations against him, he would have spoken up about it, especially being in the spotlight after taking down the tournament. This is really sad that nothing is being done to prevent these guys from playing.

A Reporter and the 'actual' WSOP doing an 'investigative' interview are two different things.

You can argue that this is 'the same' as a Blackjack ban with casinos sharing information. But you can also suggest that the type of online cheating that may have occurred is not possible in a live setting, so what warrants a ban?

There's plenty of BJ bans that still allow a Player to sit down at the slots. GL

Chip dumping & Collusion come to mind in a live setting. Especially in these small field high buy in's.

Buehlero Henri Buhler also just arrived at wsop and is posting on instagram after vanishing. I guess he saw that even bigger scammers are playing without having to worry so now hes joining again the poker circus. what a ****in shame for poker.

Let's get Mike Postle on a televised live cash game stream imo.

Of which Ali has been accused of.

he has? thought it was RTA and looking at the dude's card live who wasn't protecting his cards very well

Supposedly he made a non pio approved call with bad blockers against a buddy

aaah right I forgot about that one

Hustler casino live should do a "cheaters" night. They can have mike postle headline with bryn kenney and others. Big cash game.

That’s a good idea.. cheaters should be forced to play with each other exclusively

so playing high stakes makes it ok to cheat?

Oh come on, that's so clearly not what he's saying.

He says people who don't play high stakes are not allowed to care about the cheating because it doesn't directly affect them. And he makes a great point. You know, just like when you watch the news and you find out some 75-year-old woman got beaten up, and you think, "Meh, she's not my mom, I'm totally okay with it. Why is this even a story?"

Who among us has not had some version of this exchange?

"A little boy in Texas died yesterday because his mother left him in the car on a 100-degree day."
"What? That's terrib– wait, how old was the boy?"
"Five."
"Oh. Then that's fine."
"That's fine?"
"Yeah, I have no problem with it."
"Really?"
"Sure. The mother did nothing wrong in my eyes."
"How can you say that??"
"Because my son is eight."
"Aaaaah... good point. My bad, carry on."

So let his words serve as a lesson to you, me, and everyone else in this thread: next time you find yourself condemning any form of wrongful act, make sure you're the victim. Because if not, then you have no right to care about it.

Silly dude45, stop being so obtuse.