Call the floor on Ali and tell them he is peeking at people's cards.

What did he say immediately before his burn the place down comment?

Was it proper? No it was not. But was it an actual terrorist threat? No. Should he be called out? Sure but only for what it really was…PH being his dickish self.

If you believe it was real or if anyone there thought it was real you might have something. He was called out for being a dick. Not for being a terrorist. That was deserved but that is not what you are doing.

i'm with ECB Fore. a normal John Dough very well could have been 86d from Caesars properties for saying what Phil said and how he said it.

Refresh me... from which events/series did those guys certainly get banned previously? For example, was it ever confirmed that the EPT turned them away when they ended up having a beach day? And is it for sure Triton banished them? (EDIT: no, they didn't. WTF am I thinking of??)

Sorry for the questions, hard to parse the conjecture from the speculation from the facts sometimes.

In any case, I had hoped events of those size would lend enough credibility for other organizers to take notice and follow suit. I suppose not. Then again, I'm not sure what the WSOP's standards are (if any). For example, if Russ Hamilton showed up to play in 2012, would he have been admitted?

I also wonder the extent to which the organizers of live events look at the likes of the UB/AP scandal, the JJProdigy thing, and now the RTA/ghosting hubbub and go, "Yeah, but that's online... they can't do that with our event, so no harm no foul." Sure, it sucks and it's maddening, but it would also make sense.

I agree others would not get away with it. He should have been punished. Others would. He gets way too much leeway. BUT it was never a real threat. That doesn’t excuse it but ECB presenting it as real threat is not accurate.

He said immediately before he said it that 1 it was a joke and 2 he would get called out. The tirade of F bombs with it was worse. But it also fails as humor attempt.

15 minute penalty…sure. DQ fine. Heck even an 86 if they wanted. Never said I did not agree he should be punished. But to present it as a real threat is disingenuous at best.

Try it on an airline

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True. He would go on the no fly list. Then again he did not do that.

At this point this is only a derail of this topic since as stupid as it was it was not cheating at poker. Cheating at life maybe.

True but unlike a ton of poker players who've been around a while Deeb hasn't screwed anyone over

He's blunt which runs a lot of people the wrong way but he's no scumbag

I wasn't even referring to that
He's treated players like garbage for 30 years and nothing is done about it

You guys are so bad at staying on topic, I genuinely believe half of you are borderline re tarded.

Wow, have I lost a lot of respect for many high rollers recently.
Many of them have gotten rich from cheating at poker and it just rots to the core.
How can D-Negs just go along with this and make it seem like nothing is wrong.
Is he protecting his interest in a GG Poker? Seems logical to me. (but certainly not justified)
He is bringing down all of his accomplishments in poker by turning a blind eye to the elephant in the room.
Shame on all of them who cheated and made it to the where they are by doing so.
Shame on all who know of this cheating and are doing nothing about it.
I used to enjoy watching Poker Go coverage of the high roller events, but no longer.
It's a lot of chip dumping to their buddy in which they have a piece of each other. So if I dump my 600K stack early in the 100K, what an advantage I will have moving forward.
Some of them have done none of this and have made it the correct/hard way and earned their stripes, kudos to them! ( they are not all cheaters)
I won't be watching any high roller events ever again, I will stick with the other tourneys and watch real poker players earn there accolades without cheating.
I will be calling out the ones I know who cheated (the 3 mentioned in this thread) if they are at any of my tables or I see them in the hallways when I am at the WSOP. I hope you will too!!

Good post. I feel the same way. DNegs should have boycotted that 100k event and pushed for everyone else to boycott as well. He has a lot of influence and imo could have gotten most to do so. Then you're left with just the few cheating scumbags and maybe a couple more. it would have been such a bad look for the WSOP to have the event played at that point.

But nope, Negreanu talks a good game like most but doesn't do squat. I also will definitely not watch another high roller event ever again, because not only are there blatant cheaters like Ali and Jake and Bryn there are so many that chip dump to each other and have pieces of each other. Imo it's not even legitimate poker anymore.

dnegs not boycotting anything that gives wsop player of the year points

I don't think the players that have done nothing wrong should have to give up important tourneys, and in the process making the fields easier to beat.

If only it this problem was as easy as saying to Jack "Hey man, so and so are cheaters and they shouldn't play."

Like for real. I do believe that they are cheaters, but someone in Jacks position can't make massive rulings like that on community sentiment or allegations/speculation. To expect people in Jacks position to make calls like that, well it just ain't happening. Ali's best play is just shutting the heck up about it and not a whole lot can happen, which is unfortunate.

seemingly one or more other Series' tournament officials have made the call to ban them. why not Caesars Entertainment?

businesses that hold Nevada gambling licenses aren't interested in getting attention from the Nevada Gaming Control Board. what i'm saying is start a complaint with the Board if Jack doesn't act and see where it leads us. the vast majority of WSOP players would like action to be taken against those trying to play when credible, documented cases of cheating exists.

gambling on Caesars property isn't a right.

Not true at all. Triton and EPT both banned Ali and Jake. Believe me if Negreanu publicly called for them to be banned and spoke to Jack and there was a big push from top pros to get them banned I believe wsop would have banned them.

Are you also posting as ECB?

The post of mine you copied/responded was a response specifically and directly to ECB.

ECB (you?) definitely WAS referring to his burn this place down rant. Specifically, "Yup. He can threaten to blow up the venue and he really did but crickets from pathetic shameless Effel."

So either a) I don't have a clue why you inserted your comment about what you were referring to because you weren't the post I referred to or b) you are also posting as ECB and now lying about what you were referring to.

All I know is now I am certainly confused.

But I agree and have said so, his behavior is tolerated because of who he is. Because of the following he brings, maybe some small lee way would be fine. But he is consistently WAY over the line. I believe in generally his behavior needs to be reigned in but his burn the place down comment was not a good example. The string of F bombs was significantly worse IMO.

Dude you know he is not posting as me just stop with your nonsense. borg23 is a good poster on here. We share a lot of the same views. You minimizing his burn the place down comment though is terrible, no matter how much you want to claim he was trying to be funny.

I understand that Triton and EPT both banned them.

The initial comment I was replying to stated, "i'm not on-site but someone who enters an MTT with one of the cheats should call the floor over and let them know you want something done regarding known cheats being allowed to gamble on the property."

Nothing is going to happen in this specific scenario that I'm replying to.

Maybe if there is enough backlash from some big names, then maybe WSOP, not just Jack, will consider banning these players in a similar fashion to Triton or EPT. However, calling Jack over mid tournament isn't going to do anything IMO.

the mob runs the entire scene . online and live

Would not think that (I respect borg23 posting) but as noted it just completely confused me since AFAIK, I had not referenced him or any of his posts. Was extremely clear my comments were directed at your posts. So I still don't understand his post.

As to minimizing...you still have not answered what did PH say immediately before the first mention of burn the place down comment. Since you want to ignore this I will share for any who don't know. He specifically and clearly said 'this is a joke' AND 'I will get called out for this'. Thus in context it was totally clear that he was not serious. But YOU continue putting up this example of his bad behavior as if anyone there thought it was legit.

I am not minimizing his behavior. It was a horrid attempt at humor and inappropriate. But it also was not the terroristic threat you keep trying to imply. If he had stopped at that point, I would say no harm, no foul. But then he continues on with the F bomb tirade.

The 'burn down' comment, likely did not actually violate any rules. If any Joe Blow did it, I am not sure how far WSOP would go but I suspect at least a pull aside at a minimum. However let Joe Blow go on the F bomb tirade, which DOES violate their rules, and he would get AT LEAST a 10 min break (we have seen it with MM iirc) but more likely given its duration Joe gets DQ'd.

So I am not minimizing nor excusing PH behavior. But I am calling out you for your disingenuous posts, implying the threat was real or those there thought he was serious.

Hate myself for agreeing with ECB but just because Hellmuth said he was joking doesn’t mean it was anything other than absolutely horrific.

The guy is an absolute clown.

Most poker players are degenerates in one form or another so the community as a whole just thinks it is extension of that

Which questions they went with-




Shaun also replied to a video of a mariachi band wishing someone a happy bday in previous years saying it gives him a great idea for the main event for certain people from the cheater from Bosnia and elsewhere