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06-06-2022 , 07:49 AM

#76

PokerEthics

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It’s strange to me casinos have a ton of rules to prevent cheating etc..

But if known cheaters banned by other operators exist nothing is done.

Why is wsop positioning themselves as a safe haven for cheaters ?

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06-06-2022 , 08:11 AM

#77

MastaAces

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Originally Posted by Bizeeey

Rok got banned on GG on the same day as Jake and Ali

Rok Gostisa Wins PokerGO Tour Championship, Ali Imsirovic Crowned Player of the Year (dec 2021)

what a headline.

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06-06-2022 , 09:18 AM

#78

greatxwhite

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The lack of comment from some of the high rollers just makes me think there were even more cheating that don't want to get mixed up in it. Guys like Foxen, Kornuth, Deeb who are actually willing to say something have nothing to lose. It is widely known that Rok Gostisa and Ali are buddies, so no shock he was colluding/ghosting on his account.

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06-06-2022 , 12:18 PM

#79

EastCoastBalla

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Originally Posted by PokerEthics

Great post

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06-06-2022 , 03:00 PM

#80

ligastar

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Originally Posted by greatxwhite

it is disconcerting.

speculation of chip dumping and 'teaming up' at the small field PokerGo high-rollers by cheaters have been made. do we think the (allegedly) cheating 'teams' are able to execute the same shenanigans in the WSOP high-rollers that have larger fields?

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06-06-2022 , 04:25 PM

#81

EastCoastBalla

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Originally Posted by ligastar

speculation of chip dumping and 'teaming up' at the small field PokerGo high-rollers by cheaters have been made. do we think the (allegedly) cheating 'teams' are able to execute the same shenanigans in the WSOP high-rollers that have larger fields?

Yeah most of the high roller regulars are cheating in one way or another, mainly like you said, they swap pieces of each other, soft play and chip dumping. The high roller events are polluted.

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06-06-2022 , 04:30 PM

#82

ScotchOnDaRocks

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Originally Posted by ligastar

speculation? If you enter those PokerGo events and don't consider that chip dumping or team play is going on your head is in the sand

The only you would continue to play is if you thought you had an edge anyway or just want to play for the entertainment

I used to play Stud on PokerStars against a table full of people from China that I was fairly certain were colluding against me, still won like 30 sessions in a row anyway lol

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06-06-2022 , 04:57 PM

#83

Ukay

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They should be banned from all tournaments and all casinos and all online sites for life. Action has to be taken against cheaters. Come on tournament organizers and online sites, take action.

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06-06-2022 , 05:01 PM

#84

Ukay

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Originally Posted by ligastar

i'm not on-site but someone who enters an MTT with one of the cheats should call the floor over and let them know you want something done regarding known cheats being allowed to gamble on the property. tell the floor if you don't get a resolution you'll contact the Nevada Gaming Control Board and file a complaint. the Board doesn't take kindly to patrons feeling they are being cheated in the state of Nevada.

here's the Board's contact info:

https://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=24

believe me, Jack Effel doesn't want anything to do with the Board snooping around his business and worrying his bosses (not to mention the potential heat and bad PR hit for Caesars Entertainment).

this is the course of action that has a chance of delivering results.

Yes please do this, anyone on their table. Even if it achieves nothing it will put pressure on the cheaters

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06-06-2022 , 05:06 PM

#85

ScotchOnDaRocks

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Can someone give me cliff notes on the evidence against Ali?

On tape appearing to peak at cards and played some hands wrong according to PioSolver?

I mean I’m sure he’s up to something and was already banned by Triton and EPT but also not sure if lifetime bans should be dealt out like Halloween candy

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06-06-2022 , 05:06 PM

#86

Ukay

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well done Deeb you're a hero, pokers hero. And anyone else is too who calls out these scumbags.

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06-06-2022 , 06:44 PM

#87

Noobtard

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

Ali, Jake and Rok were banned from GG for using RTA and multi accounting. Hence Alex Foxen saying "That's what happens when you don't have a computer" when Rok got eliminated.

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06-07-2022 , 09:34 AM

#88

greatxwhite

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And now Schindler finishes runner up in the 25k for $875k...

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06-07-2022 , 02:21 PM

#89

EastCoastBalla

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Originally Posted by greatxwhite

And now Schindler finishes runner up in the 25k for $875k...

I'm upset he didn't win. Poker deserves these scumbags since the "influencers" in the community like Negreanu and others obviously don't care enough to try and get them banned.

So at this point, I'm rooting for the cheaters. Since the wsop doesn't care, Effel doesn't care, DNegs doesn't care, Dan Shak doesn’t care(he told Deeb not to stir the pot since the tournament was 100k lol), etc...

Go Jake Go Bryn, Go Ali!!!

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06-07-2022 , 02:39 PM

#90

ScotchOnDaRocks

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Originally Posted by Noobtard

Ali, Jake and Rok were banned from GG for using RTA and multi accounting. Hence Alex Foxen saying "That's what happens when you don't have a computer" when Rok got eliminated.

I meant strictly in a live setting, you obviously can’t have RTA playing live and WSOP is a live event

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06-07-2022 , 03:29 PM

#91

swissodds

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Originally Posted by dappadan777

I cba to find the tweet but Sam Grafton tweeted the other day complaining that playing with them is miserable and makes for a bad atmosphere sitting next to them, but when called out about if he spoke up and said anything to them, he said 'its not the pros job to do it' or something to that effect. Which is absolutely pathetic and some of the most pussy **** I've ever heard - you and your peers are being directly affected, cheated and ev taken from you and you stay silent rather than call them out but instead tweet about it. You can't complain about it on Twitter publicly that sitting next to them is terrible but not actually say anything to their face whilst sitting next to them, it's precisely your job as a pro who plays in the same games, to provide some sort of hostile environment for them...or dont complain and let them steal your ev?

I wonder how the backers of people like Grafton feel about their horses being cheated?

Props to Deeb for being one of the only people to say anything to their face whilst also blasting them on Twitter. How do you expect people to not take advantage when the 'community' does nothing.

+1

Reading this thread, feels like there s a form of cultural restraint on the part of Americans.
I will be there in 1 month and honestly I will not fail to talk openly about their misdeeds to the culprits if I come across them during the wsop.

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06-07-2022 , 03:50 PM

#92

Wilbury Twist

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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla

I came really close to picking the three in the "Who section" of xander biscuit's 2022 WSOP game, just for the reverse sweat. i.e. if they do well, it lessens the blow because I picked them for that contest.

In the end, I didn't do it. Pussed out like Grafton, I guess.

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06-07-2022 , 04:12 PM

#93

ReliableSource

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granted online poker hasn’t been a thing in the US for over a decade and only nvg posters know about it.

carry on.

-RS

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06-08-2022 , 04:51 AM

#94

IHaveThreePair

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Jake at another HR final table now.

Does him running deep in the two HR's validate claims or put doubt on them?

Maria Ho made a comment about the draft in the fantasy, saying how people weren't picked, alluding to Jake, Bryn etc of course - there's clearly dislike for them in the community but it makes you wonder why nothing more is done about it. Is there legal precedent to forbid WSOP from actually banning people who are just 'suspected' of shady ****? I mean Ferguson still gets to play...

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06-08-2022 , 05:02 AM

#95

fragglerock45

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There are a lot of shenanigans going on the high rollers, but its all rumour and speculation. Has anyone else found it odd that many of these players barely say hello to each other despite playing many of the same tournaments on the circuit? Not shocked Grafton has branded the atmosphere "miserable".

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06-08-2022 , 05:08 AM

#96

fragglerock45

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I'm sure GGpoker would confirm to Nevada Gaming Commission if certain accounts were banned or not, if they were asked to do so. They are looking to offer services in the USA.

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06-08-2022 , 05:29 AM

#97

boolinback

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Originally Posted by MastaAces

Rok Gostisa Wins PokerGO Tour Championship, Ali Imsirovic Crowned Player of the Year (dec 2021)

what a headline.

God that picture of Ali is cursed lol what an ugly gummy smile that cheating clown has

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06-08-2022 , 05:49 AM

#98

IHaveThreePair

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Originally Posted by fragglerock45

I'm sure GGpoker would confirm to Nevada Gaming Commission if certain accounts were banned or not, if they were asked to do so. They are looking to offer services in the USA.

They're the lead sponsor of WSOP... you'd have thought there'd be some cohesion.

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06-08-2022 , 07:10 AM

#99

Mr Blonde

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Cheating online or not, all of these guys are undeniably beasts at live poker tournaments

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06-08-2022 , 08:42 AM

#100

Balbomb

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Originally Posted by Mr Blonde

Cheating online or not, all of these guys are undeniably beasts at live poker tournaments

Which makes the cheating even more infuriating. Not only were they stealing millions of dollars online, but they were also improving their own poker games by constantly seeing the sim answers to difficult and complex spots. It further illustrates the need to ban them, not give them credit.

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