He is also chip dumping with horses in live events.

Yup they chip dump and lots of them soft play each other because they have swapped or have pieces of one another.

With few exceptions like Seidel when he plays and a couple others, the high roller community is polluted scum.

I'm certainly not going to claim to have completely followed or be an expert on this topic, but these things take time, so to speak.

DNegs has not sat by idly on this topic. He spoke on his podcast about the 'squeezing' of Players out of the Player pools until they just don't 'have anywhere to play anymore.

In the US folks are always worried about the legal side of things whereas in Europe it seems they act more quickly 'on emotion'. Could WSOP eventually take action? Yes. But to say that 'Jack' has the total say is short-sighted. Cesar's Brand has the say so .. and it's the largest live poker brand in the world.

Chris Brewer was banned from GG .. not much mention of him in here that I can find. He finished high in 25K and was drafted for $39 (above average) in fantasy. He used charts for sure and maybe software but is getting no where near the attention of these others. So he was only speeding 10 over the limit but these guys were speeding 25 over the limit?

Not trying to minimize this as a alleged conspiracy is much worse than someone acting alone, but in poker there's not really a way to limit a ban and that's where caution needs to be heeded. Once the banning door gets cracked open where is the line in the sand? The poker blacklist discussion may never be resolved .. but just as Nevada Gaming suggests that 'their' blacklist should be much bigger how does the poker world decide who's first, second and beyond to get on the list?

If there was cheating on GG, that's online .. You would think that GG might offer WSOP.com some intel and perhaps limit access to these Players for the online events. Did they? I don't know. Why weren't they also cheating on WSOP.com in Nevada? No games? No proof?

But while 'poker is poker' in some aspects, there's no doubt that live poker is different than online poker. I don't think the fields are that much larger in WSOP than at PokerGo, but maybe they are. There's another 'partner' of WSOP that could offer intel to assist in their decisions.

Not even really sure why I'm putting a comment in here other than to just suggest that while there's a satisfaction of something happening 'right away' it's not always the best route of response since it will set a precedent going forward. GL

Chip dumping and soft play is a risk that poker may never be able to fully police. Without full admission (and perhaps hole card proof) you can never really prove what one person is thinking in a given moment.

The study of poker may be it's own undoing in that aspect. As Players study and improve their game it creates an expectation that can used against them. A knowledgeable Player should be making far less 'moves' and thus any unorthodox 'move' will take on that much more scrutiny if found out.

I've been in games where I suspect team play or otherwise but have zero proof. It's my choice to continue to play and whether or not I bring the topic up with the host/room manager. Those (like Deeb perhaps) that don't GAF and chirp and needle are certainly allowed that option within reason. GL

The damning hh is in the Ali and Jake cheating thread.

Running deep in two MTT.......not sure I understand your question. You do realize he has $34,000,000 in live cashes?

Of course Dan Shak would buy Ali for $1 in fantasy draft. The same Dan Shak who told Deeb not to chastise the cheaters at the table. Yay Dan Shak.

And….once again we are reminded (again and again) that there is no karma in poker, in fact the worse of a person you are the better you run ��

It was tongue in cheek - people were suggesting that because he's run deep in two larger field tourneys the accusations are groundless.

Agree. Absolutely none. Look at all the deep runs people like Chino have had and Maurice. It's depressing but you are spot on.

No just can't stand low limit players acting like what a super high limit player does has any affect on them like they are in the same orbit

Effect? Why must there be an effect to warrant an opinion?

I don't think any lower-stake players here think/act/believe the cheating activities of a high-stakes player has any direct impact on their lives. Doesn't mean we have to like it, nor does it diminish any right to condemn the activities, nor does it reduce our desire to see the wrongdoing parties to get justice.

Chrissakes, if you were to start compiling an alphabetical list of all crimes, torts, indiscretions, transgressions, malfeasances and just plain F-ups where people wish the perpetrator got his/her due, I could come back two weeks from now only to find that you've made it up to C for "Caillou marathon."

Of all the takes ITT this is the worst.

Of course what happens in the most televised and reported on games affects people at all buy-in levels. In fact it likely impacts the people at the lower BI's more than the high rollers.

New people to poker who are watching the WSOP and seeing about this guy who's made two High Roller FT's - they google his name and all they can find is cheating accusations with no defence from him.

Do you think they're then going to go to their local casino to play a tournament, when their limited experience of poker is reading about someone at the top end who has been widely accused of cheating?

It's a terrible precedent to set to the people we want most to enter the game, i.e people who have no idea what soft-playing or RTA is. They hear that people can cheat at poker and win and immediately take their money to the sportsbook where they feel like they're less likely to be cheated.

Just bad timing overall with the 2nd to last hand. Jake indicated that he probably lays it down with 'other' Kx, but K4 and K5 were blocking the straight combos. He also used his last time bank and had a little 'f-it' in there too and was willing to lose to a random 6x. Brek bluffed with the same thought process .. he had a 5 so he could rep some of the 45 combos.

Obv first bracelet photo was a bit bare since there was bound to be some guilt by association brought into play. GL

Yeah. I didn’t criticise Ben Johnson after he was caught doping in an Olympic 100m final because I can’t run it in under 12 seconds.

Tell me who dumped to him in this event and the hand history please?

Also confused as to why Brewer never gets mentioned

Brewer killed the story before it got too far out of the gate. Social Media doesn't like it when speculation is nipped in the bud when 'acceptable' facts are presented by the target and there's nothing left to muddy up.


I don't think anyone is suggesting that Jake 'had help' this week at all. But it was in the past, during all the Aria 1-day HR and 'series' events going on, where patterns may have been spotted but certainly not fully documented. GL

A lot of guys who were banned from GG were "only" using preflop charts. Of course, its pretty available if you want to buy 100s (1000s?) of PF charts that are near solutions.

While clearly very bad, its also quite clearly "not as bad" as the Schindler/Ali stuff, which included: (i) mass multiaccounting in small field events, (ii) supposedly post-flop solves.

Hi Jake. I don't play high rollers so cheating at them is OK.

Wow dumbest take ever.. but your account was just created yesterday so you're almost certainly one of the cheaters.

Wow amazing post. Agree 100%

lmaoooo deeb the hero we deserve









its gonna be a great summer

Check out the thread dedicated to Jake and Ali, you will find them there. Brewer addressed the accusations publicly was only using pre flop charts which is much more ambiguous. Ali and Jake were using post flop RTA.

Doubt any of that is going on. No newbie has any clue whatsoever any idea who Ali or Jake is. They might watch the WSOP where for the most part some relative unknown luckbox will win. But that's it. They are completely oblivious for the most part. Most probably don't watch it on TV anymore anyway, that ship has more or less left the yard a long time ago.

Degen is trying to get under your skin but he is more or less correct. It's just some shenanigans going on in a private club which only really impacts a few.

I like how Mrdegen00 can't stand how the low limit peasants playing 1.5ks can't stay in their lane and pretend they are in the same orbit.

I now look up to Mrdegen00. He is the Cool Guy, and not a Major Nerd like the other people itt or something.