Bottom line is if they can't take American players action they are finished. They are probably desperately trying to figure out some way to keep doing so.

Knef - your posts started out interesting and seeking information, now they are random theories and tin foil hat speculation. As much as it sucks, we pretty much just have to wait for an announcement.

Why should they be finished?

They may have to downsize/etc. but they can certainly remain afloat.

The problem is that they may decide it is more EV+ to just run with the money.

Yea they will be living large catering to a few hundred Canadian, Euro players etc. who have tons of other options. Doubt that will happen.

Thank you and I'm sorry, I suppose.

Yeah but the jackpot is getting up there again

In a similar situation to this with a processed premium wire processed on 4/14 same amount but it has not yet hit my bank account. Although in talking with AP support they said the process would take up to 5-7 business days.


To me, a lot of the negative speculation is pointless. If their goals were to close up shop it makes no sense for them to continue allow US players to play. What are they really gaining if these players can't even deposit? It's alarming that they haven't come out with some type of statement yet but as has already been said they are probably desperately trying to find a way to keep offering services to US customers.

Chat with UB Pro, for anyone that cares!


******: Hey Bryan
BRYAN_DEVO: howsit ***?
******: whats the latest news from UB management?
BRYAN_DEVO: not much has changed
******: ok, u got a chance to speak with someone inside?
BRYAN_DEVO: money's safe, they didn't seize it.
******: ok..ppl are worried UB might run away with the money
******: it's obviously a ***ed up situation but is there any info u
BRYAN_DEVO: I think they would have done that by now
BRYAN_DEVO: I have $23k on here
******: provide that would help ease our concerns
BRYAN_DEVO: i read the entire indictment last night
******: yeah, me too
BRYAN_DEVO: and that made me feel better. it all hinges on online poker
BRYAN_DEVO: being illegal
******: true except for the bank fraud
******: why exactly is it illegal?
BRYAN_DEVO: and the statute they cite is a New York Penal code
******: and washington state
BRYAN_DEVO: no they don't cite washington
BRYAN_DEVO: just NY
BRYAN_DEVO: and it's some bs one too
******: pretty sure they did somewhere
******: sure is a waste of time by the DOJ
BRYAN_DEVO: like can't accept electronic credit for gambling
BRYAN_DEVO: thus pokerz = illegal
BRYAN_DEVO: if that sells then the rest is a slam dunk unfortunately tho
******: well, not here to discuss that stuff but was hoping u can
******: give me an insight into whats happening inside UB
BRYAN_DEVO: I wish I could help man. We've gotta keep quiet til Paul
BRYAN_DEVO: releases his statement, which it taking way too long to come
BRYAN_DEVO: imo
******: yeah exactly
BRYAN_DEVO: but they told me that they were expecting this
BRYAN_DEVO: and have backup plans
BRYAN_DEVO: and the money's safe
BRYAN_DEVO: and hold tight
******: that's good to hear

I live in the US and have a few thousand on UB and I still plan on playing there. As long as they let me at least. And why not? Most of you think ill never see my money again so then why not take chances with your money and try to build it up in case they actually do pay out? So basically ill lose it all from playing or from the site closing, either way no money. OR I make more money and if they do honor the funds then boom, I took advantage of a weak site and made more of a profit. I dont see the harm in playing there if you have money on that site.

Its a little more complicated for UB/AP than Pokerstars.

It's quite funny, but I see your point.

I feel so life-tilted about this whole thing that I'm sure I don't play my best poker these days, so I've restricted my play to UB/FTP since it happened.

did anybody get his money since 4/15? Mine is still processing...

i wish i could play on ub but the possibility of it being play money is too high for me to take it seriously

I have a bit of good news (tiny though)

When DoJ took over AP's .com domain, their Java client stopped working - it was tied to the domain name. Since I use Linux that additionally inconvenienced me. On Sunday I asked technical support if they were going to make it available/working again. They gave me a very generic answer (kind of like they did about payouts) "we're hoping... soon..." etc.

Well, the good news is that today it's available again. They fixed it and made it available at
http://www.absolutepoker.eu/cereus/i...ay-no-download

So it seems like they are trying to repair things.

To be honest ive played better thinking that its only play money vs real money.

Can you tell us how many props were employed in the limit games? (If it's not a breach of your "contract.")

And yep, I don't see why they'd fire their US props if they were going to stay in the US. They would need those props in the coming weeks more then ever.

Yeah, that's actually a good sign, knef, good to know.

Does anyone remember how it went after the superusering episode? I have a vague recollection of also being fed with false promises of imminent cashouts for days if not weeks and then finally they actually processed them.

Can you post the actual email? I believe you, it would just be nice to see the actual document/text

To: all hosts



From this point forward we will be changing how we run the prop program to adjust to the recent events that have taken place in the US market.



*Prop status for USA hosts will be removed in the next few hours. We will be revisiting this as events unfold on the US side.

*For hosts who live outside USA it is business as usual and we will be paying rakeback according to the following new schedule. Please let us know if you know of players living outside of the USA who are interested in joining the program.




quite a few hosts were in the US. I can't imagine any games going without the US props.

Well they would stay open to the rest of the world even if they closed in the US. So of course they want to "fix" things. Money is still there, even if it's greatly reduced by not taking US players.

I think everyone will get paid (US and non). Perhaps that's being optimistic, but if they stay open to non-US players (which seems obv. to me they would) and don't pay the US players- well, it's not going to help their marketing to EU players one bit, even if they are already known as a shady site. The worst case scenario is that they close shop completely and run with the money. Considering the indictments against their owners, I really doubt they take that route.

As for the US situation. I think we have to wait and see. They may close to the US since finding processors in the US AND dealing with further DOJ strikes very well could be EXTREMELY expensive to deal with, ie perhaps not worth the trouble. My 2c.

So I'm guessing you guys did OK over the years. 100% back? Could you play .50/1 limit or was there even a minimum? BTW, I know this sucks as I'm sure many props were making a living or at least extra income. I used to prop for a site (not as big as UB) until they unceremoniously dropped us when they got just a few more players. At least it looks like they kept you guys to the end.

How can you think that way... I mean how will you find the motivation to play your best poker and play lot of hands knowing that it could easily be for nothing but a lot of frustration? And it is not like it's a fish party right now, on Absolute Poker anyway.

While this is a possibility, I still believe it not the case.

Cereus has gone above and beyond to revamp their image. In fact, I enjoyed their support and business practices so much I decided to leave Full Tilt and stick with them and have been there for a year now with nothing but great things to say about them.

Yes they had some issues in the past but that was years ago and they have proven themselves to be a great site since. I truly feel they are going to do their best to find processors that are willing to work with US Citizens and give the finger to the DoJ. It would be too great an opportunity to pass up... When they snubbed Legistation for WA state players, they gained an increase in player pool and now they have an opportunity to absorb the entire US Player pool and become one of the biggest sites (if not the biggest).... too much money for them to pass up.

I'm not from US. I play at UB.
Since friday morning, I required a withdrawal, that is still pending right now.
I see the brand is working to restablish few things, suches as the website, software, etc. (Not sure about money matter).
My money does not come easyly back, but I am thinking seriously to cancel my requiremet and play as usual. If I can retry a withdrawl, and reach it, it is fine; Otherwise, my money will die there anyway.
May be, let's play.

Anyone know how to contact Absolute? email address I have isn't working