It was:
limit holdem, o8, stud, mixed - no active tables
blackjack - no idea

This is kinda funny, considering we're talking about cereus.

Yes it is. But to me trying to scam us and paying out small amounts of money just doesn't add up. I am open to ideas though

In a lot of scams small amounts are actually paid out, to keep up the pretence of being legitimate.

Maybe, but how does it fit in this specific situation? Couldn't they have run with the money weeks ago, if the had wanted to?

11:06 am ET

NLHE: 67 players (14 tables)
Omaha: 14 players (3 tables)

no other cash games

tournaments 180 players (7 tourneys)

sng 23 players (6 tourneys)

The above does not include freerolls or play money . Tourneys include only "running" and "late registration" status.

The fact of the matter is everything on this thread is speculation. You don't know any more than any of us, so you can't claim that they will stop paying out soon. No one knows exactly where this company is at financially, because we don't know how much money they have tied up and if/when they are going to get it back . Please don't make judgements like this if you have no real evidence to back it up.

Positive speculation is as useless as negative speculation.

Wrong. The traffic stats I give are fact.

With such low traffic, reason dictates that the current revenue stream for UB/AP from poker is very small. Maybe their blackjack revenue can carry them through - I have seen no stats on that.

But if we were to make an educated guess, as we must when we are planning our own future actions, it is much more likely that cereus will fold than it will return to health and thrive.

Disclaimer: Pure speculation!

They may well have already 'ran off with the money'. It said in what appeared to me to be a well sourced article that in 2009 they posted losses of +$30MM to their investors in Norway. I think the very strong suspicion is that key individuals have received large payouts whilst these losses were incurred by the company.
There could be any number of reasons they haven't yet declared bankruptcy; maybe they are looking to sell their software/assets or company, maybe they are looking to set up another outfit and it suits them for UB to stay open for now. Negotiating the DoJ issue has to be a priority for them, and simply declaring all their US customers have lost their money can't put them in a strong position with the US government.Any small losses incurred now could easily be insignificant in the grander scheme of things.

Small amounts of player payouts are only one cost they are incurring whilst remaining open for business. I wouldn't be surprised if the value of player payouts made since BF is less than other running costs incurred in that timeframe, but obviously have no idea. I am just trying to put the issue of small amounts of player payouts into context of running costs for the site.

Why doesn't everyone with substantial amounts of money log on and play and see what happens instead of doing nothing but log on 2+2 and cry ?

Because the vast majority of us live in the USA and can't?

Lol I obviously meant that for NON US players my bad I should of been more clear

I think you are seriously underestimating the intelligence of the NON US player pool.

Meh. It's fairly easy to see why people don't play there. There are no games, and you can't even withdraw your money.

I don't know whether that means you should log on to 2p2 and cry, but winning monopoly money isn't a very good way to spend your time.

I fully understand the skepticism but for all we know us playing may be the only way to save the site and get paid, we have no idea it is better to try something then do nothing in my opinion. I understand it sucks balls we may not see all our money but what if they are doing payouts currently with rake generated ? then let's survival of the fittest the **** out of this till one person on UB is left with all the monies.

Well for the record I don't have any money on there. I signed up at UB after breaking even on Pokerstars at microstakes whilst learning the very basics. Took their free $50, played enough hands to withdraw and built a reasonable bankroll for small stakes from that back at Pokerstars.

I don't understand this statement. You are saying they aren't paying out everything they have while it belongs to players but instead are waiting to convert it into company money and then they are paying it out to players?

I noticed there are a lot of people saying that there is not enough players to sustain the Cereus Network. My question is how much overhead/expenses does Cereus have? To me it seems like they should be able to be self sustainable even with the current traffic.

I am throwing out a hypothetical, yes the money belongs to us no we shouldn't have to play to get it we should have access to it when we want but clearly this isn't the case atm. I however just like several others have substantial money on here that I would like to see and if playing everyday is the only way i can see all or even some well then I will suck it up and do it. If it turns out I have done nothing but lined Scott Tom's pockets with change for the valet's and yacht club balling so be it at least when the ship sinks I will know I attempted to do something. If the money is gone it's gone but if playing and generating rake somehow magically helps this company become appealing to investors or another company to purchase then good (obviously extremely unlikely but liek I keep saying doing something is better then nothing)

I understand. And it sucks you guys are in the dark. But that kind of action doesn't do anything to put pressure on the owners. If you totalled all of the cashouts on 2p2 since BF, you would not come near $100k. This strategy has been hella successful because players still seem to be torn between supporting the room and getting angry. If you are the owner/founders, you are probably thinking we can just ride this out and let the lawyers keep doing their thing and see what happens.

When players decide to get angry at the owner/founders, then you might see calls to hire legal help to do asset research on their property and to look into what options are available. Maybe they have turned down lowball offers which would give players some percentage on the dollar but nothing to the owner/founders. I'm sure if PartyBwin offered .50 on the dollar with a 90 cooling off period, most players would jump at the opportunity.

Ok then using this hypothetical situation wouldn't everyone on generating rake help us get a better return if the site had more desirable numbers?

this isnt gonna happen because they're still in negotiations with the doj so in the mean time keeping site traffic up is in the best interest of all players with money on the site. Worse thing we can do is abandon the site right now and expect to get money from bankrupt company

Hmm, from this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...09/index2.html

Care to explain? You take the free $50 (as I and many others did), run it up, withdraw it in time not to be affected by BF and then proceed to troll others who weren't as fortunate? Or can I just put you on ignore list?

thats the attitude from most people who dont have money on ub/ap. They want to see the company fail and they could careless about anybody with funds on the site. ub players have to look out for them selves and the best way to do that is by keeping traffic up