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California tribe Santa Ysabel announces impending launch of real-money online poker site. California tribe Santa Ysabel announces impending launch of real-money online poker site.

07-14-2014 , 04:29 AM
their contact address is a PO box lol. Seems shady
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07-14-2014 , 04:45 AM
I will probably deposit if they get any decent tournaments. Hopefully this software won't have some terrible, or rigged RNG...
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07-14-2014 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by nebluefc


And it looks like Finpay is the payment processor.
Finpay.net is a simple wordpress site, created by some fellow in PA. No link anywhere on the site to create a customer digital wallet account.
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07-14-2014 , 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Finpay.net is a simple wordpress site, created by some fellow in PA. No link anywhere on the site to create a customer digital wallet account.
Seems legit. I'll be mailing cash.
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07-14-2014 , 08:59 AM
Seems legit. My opinion is if there is any play going on right now for real money, it's only a matter of time before the US DOJ and CA DOJ come busting in shutting this site down.

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07-14-2014 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MrAce777
Seems legit. My opinion is if there is any play going on right now for real money, it's only a matter of time before the US DOJ and CA DOJ come busting in shutting this site down.

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Yes, but it's not as simple as that, since it's tribal land of a sovereign Indian nation. I believe it would have to proceed first as a complaint from the State of CA to the NIGC, for their ruling. If the ruling goes against the tribe, then the State can implore the Federal Marshals to enforce the ruling.

Since the tribe no longer has an operational b&m casino, the State doesn't have much leverage, e.g. we'll shut down your casino operations (block the entrance roads to the tribal lands, for example). The tribe (or state) can appeal any NIGC ruling in the federal courts. The tribal site could be operational for years before it all gets sorted out.

The real bottleneck could be the financial service provider, finpay.net, located in PA. The US DOJ could easily go after and shut them down. Doing that and blocking the tribal access roads could easily stop any real-money play by cutting off deposits and withdrawals.
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07-14-2014 , 09:41 AM
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...l-casino-debt/
Small casino near Lake Henshaw owed millions to creditors

http://www.10news.com/news/santa-ysa...council-031414

Last edited by scambuster; 07-14-2014 at 09:46 AM.
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07-14-2014 , 10:02 AM
I'm sitting play money heads-up if anyone wants to come on and test the software out.
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07-14-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by scambuster
115 employees to take care of only 349 slots!! This overhead might explain their failure.
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07-14-2014 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Can a California tribe launch real-money intrastate online poker on its own, without waiting for statewide legislation to pass? That possibility has been discussed, and anticipated, inside the gaming industry for months, but it looks like we’re on the verge of seeing somebody finally trying it.

http://agentmarco.com/santa-ysabel-online-poker/
This announcement sets up an interesting test case scenario:

Two prospective customers, let's make them California residents over 21 (or 18), go to Santa Ysabel reservation smoke shop and each deposits $100 cash.

One customer opens up his laptop while on the Res land. The other customer drives a mile or two down the road to where he can get wireless access off the Res land.

The Tribe credits each of them $100 in real money chips on some financial database, perhaps on Res land, and that credit is entered into the game server, perhaps on Res land, but perhaps not,when they sit at a HU table.

The customers play one hand of HUNL, shoving before the flop

The winner collects his cashout back at the Tribe res in cash.

We now have tribal poker offered for real money intrastate within the State of California to a player off the tribal lands.

Let’s assume both California and DOJ seek a cease and desist order from an appropriate Court, Federal or State.

1. Does the Tribe operation of this game violate the IGBA ? Does the Tribe operation of this game violate State law, or is it covered by the Compact between the Tribe and State ?
2. Does the Tribe offering this poker game to the player off the tribal lands violate its State compact ?
3. If the answer to #2 is “no violation”, is every Tribe in California with an identical compact legally able to open for business ?

Bitcoin angle being played out ?

What this means for bitcoin market :

The Tribe has indicated an intent to accept bitcoins for deposits.

Since bitcoins can be obtained independent of the Tribe's knowledge, the coins could provide a means of player deposit directly sent to a deposit address whose owner sits on the Tribal land.

One hopes that the Tribe, which is reportedly underwater financially, can pay for the legal defense of its initiative.
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07-14-2014 , 10:46 AM
Finpay.net has a private registration with Network Solutions.

Wonder if there is any relation to this Finpay which is registered in Indonesia.
http://www.portalfinpay.com/
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07-14-2014 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Yes, but it's not as simple as that, since it's tribal land of a sovereign Indian nation. I believe it would have to proceed first as a complaint from the State of CA to the NIGC, for their ruling. If the ruling goes against the tribe, then the State can implore the Federal Marshals to enforce the ruling.

Since the tribe no longer has an operational b&m casino, the State doesn't have much leverage, e.g. we'll shut down your casino operations (block the entrance roads to the tribal lands, for example). The tribe (or state) can appeal any NIGC ruling in the federal courts. The tribal site could be operational for years before it all gets sorted out.

The real bottleneck could be the financial service provider, finpay.net, located in PA. The US DOJ could easily go after and shut them down. Doing that and blocking the tribal access roads could easily stop any real-money play by cutting off deposits and withdrawals.
I have no idea who or what finpay is, but their prospective involvement is not required.

There is a direct deposit, bitcoin angle available to this prospective operation.

However, the cleaner, better test case for legality is set up with cash in, cash out on the tribe's land. note the referral to deposits at the smoke shop.
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07-14-2014 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
anyone who cant keep a B&M alive is, literally, dumber than dirt. this worries me.
How many times have Trump casinos in NJ filed for bankruptcy ?
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07-14-2014 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Needbank
115 employees to take care of only 349 slots!! This overhead might explain their failure.
But it allowed them to milk their archenemy, the Apache nation, for tens of millions of dollars. Now it looks like they want to milk the poker-playing public.

I think there are a few red flags here. Definitely legit.
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07-14-2014 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyQuixote
I have no idea who or what finpay is, but their prospective involvement is not required.

There is a direct deposit, bitcoin angle available to this prospective operation.

However, the cleaner, better test case for legality is set up with cash in, cash out on the tribe's land. note the referral to deposits at the smoke shop.
finpay.net also advertises bitcoin processing, so I'm not sure the tribe has any plan for processing bitcoins directly themselves. That would fly in the face of US laws on payment processing licensing (hasn't the precedent been set now that bitcoin processors are financial service providers?).

Cash-in, cash-out on the tribal land could work, but it won't generate much of a player pool.

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Originally Posted by scambuster
Finpay.net has a private registration with Network Solutions.

Wonder if there is any relation to this Finpay which is registered in Indonesia.
http://www.portalfinpay.com/
The registration is not private on nic.com:

Registrant Name: Wolfington, Christopher
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 1500 Locust Street
Registrant City: Philadelphia
Registrant State/Province: PA
Registrant Postal Code: 19102

Doesn't seem to have any connection to portalfinpay.com.
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07-14-2014 , 11:08 AM
I'm tempted to run up there tomorrow and ask in the smoke shop about depositing real money...
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07-14-2014 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by skydiver8
I'm tempted to run up there tomorrow and ask in the smoke shop about depositing real money...
Make it so!
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07-14-2014 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Registrant Name: Wolfington, Christopher
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 1500 Locust Street
Registrant City: Philadelphia
Registrant State/Province: PA
Registrant Postal Code: 19102
http://www.christopherwolfington.com/
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07-14-2014 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Sure looks like a shady character, all that charity work, meeting President Bush, 2013 Entrepreneur of the Year, etc.
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07-14-2014 , 11:19 AM
Private Table has a Twitter and a Facebook.

I just noticed they posted about today's launch yesterday, but noted it would be free-play.

There is also a reference to a "sneak peak" (sic) - of presumably something else? - set for today at 10am PT.

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We are very excited to announce the launch of free-play this Monday, July 14th! But we have something even better for our Facebook friends! For a very limited time today, from 10 am to 3 pm PST, you can visit Privatetable.com for a sneak peak at the tables and a free chance to play. Go to http://www.privatetable.com/ today at 10 am, download the app and get ready for some great fun in California's online poker room.
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07-14-2014 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
From the bottom of that page: CEO of Money Centers of America
Casino tech firm files bankruptcy, fights tribes: Update
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...sIMkcvQHl8S.99
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07-14-2014 , 11:25 AM
Got hit and run on the .50/1 HU play money tables. Kc8c vs AhTh all in on the 8s9c3c flop. Turn 5h river Td. Sit out and bounce. Mah play monies ;(.
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07-14-2014 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Finpay.net is a simple wordpress site, created by some fellow in PA. No link anywhere on the site to create a customer digital wallet account.
I assume the "apply now" link would be a good start.
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07-14-2014 , 11:54 AM
couldn't register as a german. So sad
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07-14-2014 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
finpay.net also advertises bitcoin processing, so I'm not sure the tribe has any plan for processing bitcoins directly themselves. That would fly in the face of US laws on payment processing licensing (hasn't the precedent been set now that bitcoin processors are financial service providers?).

Cash-in, cash-out on the tribal land could work, but it won't generate much of a player pool.


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No, structured properly, neither player direct deposit of bitcoins or direct acceptance thereof by a merchant would violate any payment processing laws, nor "fly in the face of US laws", whatever "fly in the face" means in your post.

This is post is NOT legal advice.
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