You know the whole thing about refunds that Borgata "should" do according to some posters is really a double edged sword.

Think about this for a minute - that could really set a dangerous precedent and imo could even further ruin tournament poker and here's why. If the gaming commission makes Borgata refund all the players, this opens the door for this to continually happen in future tournaments.

For example, the next opening event with a 1 million guarantee - some guy reenters 8 times at $560 a pop and invests $4480. He is pissed and wants his money back. Day 1c he introduces a few counterfeit chips during the break or something when it is chaotic and then makes a scene that there are fake chips again. He calls gaming and demands the tournament be suspended/cancelled and wants his $4460 back because of the refunds given in the previous tournament. Any idiot who loses money could try and sabotage future tournaments to get refunds!!!!

Again, there obviously needs to be a fair solution here but a full out total refund really could be dangerous going forward and seriously hamper future tournaments. Just my 2 cents.

Good catch.
Looks like every one who is posting weird ideas,believing weird ideas,bashing Borgata or Tab are newly registered (Dec/Jan) or has fewer posts !!

This is one thing that gave it away. The other is why would you retain a lawyer and then spill your guts on the internet? That makes no sense at all.

Color me very skeptical. This does not seem like the kind of case that would result in a "negotiated" arrest.

The amount of chips involved is why refunds are to be given. If we were talking 50k in fake chips refunds wouldn't even be discussed.

that's not necessarily true. if you are under investigation and wanted by the police you can retain a lawyer to negotiate your surrender for a few reasons. 1) it shows your willingness to cooperate and answer any charges which may lead to less bond/charges and police interrogations 2) you can avoid being arrested in public(at home, work, etc..)

There is a difference between 1 or 2 fake chips introduced by a pissed player (even that is a criminal act too) and whole bunch of crooks get to gather and try to pull up a biggest scam NJDGE and Borgata ever faced with !!!

If he is currently in another state, he could be negotiating his surrender as well. It's easier than an extradition.

whoever believes the guy that confessed on here, i would love to play with 9 of you at my poker table...

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"Looks like every one who is posting weird ideas,believing weird ideas,bashing Borgata or Tab are newly registered (Dec/Jan) or has fewer posts !! "


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I been around poker since 2004. I also used to be a writer for American Poker Player Magazine that is now defunct. I just never really got into the forums until this year. Of course I have always been up on all the stories since the beginning, I just never posted. After all these years, I am here. This story is a big deal and I am very interested to see what happens, where it goes, and what it causes in the future for tournament poker. The way some of you treat new people is a little crazy to me because all of you were new at one time, but I have a tough shell so it doesn't affect me either way. I am just throwing my opinion into the ring occasionally and you can agree or disagree, it does not really matter either way. I have read this whole thread and been following the story from the jump. I think this guy here who claims to be responsible is full of it. Some wonder why he would post falsely when they could be watching this forum. Are you serious? People will go to ANY links to get attention. People looking for anything or anyone to place blame on are going to jump all over this guys BS posts looking for a solution. Sorry, but you are gripping at straws. That's my opinion, and so sorry I am a newbie haha Or maybe I am more far from a newbie then you really know.

Terrible logic. Not everyone that plays poker posts/reads regularly on 2p2. Many who read occasionally do not post so do not have accounts. This would include a fair portion of the 4K+ people that were playing in this event. Searching for info online might lead them here and since they have some involvement may want to share something. None of the weird ideas are any weirder than normal.

Only thing to be concerned about is the new users may stick around and find some of the strat forums.

"Looks like every one who is posting weird ideas,believing weird ideas,bashing Borgata or Tab are newly registered (Dec/Jan) or has fewer posts !! " [/QUOTE]

If you are what you said , a reporter for a magazine. And you went through this thread.Then you should have checked the fact of my statement
""Looks like every one who is posting weird ideas,believing weird ideas,bashing Borgata or Tab are newly registered (Dec/Jan) or has fewer posts !! "

If you are what you said , a reporter for a magazine. And you went through this thread.Then you should have checked the fact of my statement
""Looks like every one who is posting weird ideas,believing weird ideas,bashing Borgata or Tab are newly registered (Dec/Jan) or has fewer posts !! "[/QUOTE]

FORMER reporter if you take the time to read. You quoted my "this" and insinuated that my statements or opinions fell in this category and I simply defended myself and showed your statement to not be entirely true. I was also showing my credentials so you wouldn't be confused again. However, does any of this matter. What matters is for this to be resolved, not who is the popular ones or big talkers on an internet forum because just because they have more posts does not prove credibility or intelligence. In no way is that singling you out per say, I do not know you to make that judgement that quick as you did towards me. To each their own. Can we get back to what's important now?

FORMER reporter if you take the time to read. You quoted my "this" and insinuated that my statements or opinions fell in this category and I simply defended myself and showed your statement to not be entirely true. I was also showing my credentials so you wouldn't be confused again. However, does any of this matter. What matters is for this to be resolved, not who is the popular ones or big talkers on an internet forum because just because they have more posts does not prove credibility or intelligence. In no way is that singling you out per say, I do not know you to make that judgement that quick as you did towards me. To each their own. Can we get back to what's important now?[/QUOTE]

Point taken.
I wasn't implying anything or anyone. That is not my style. I was just stating the fact. If that makes you believe I was after you, I apologize.

Point taken.
I wasn't implying anything or anyone. that is not my style. I was just stating the fact. If that makes you believe I was after you, I apologize.[/QUOTE

I did take it as such because of you quoting my "this". I apologize if I took it the wrong way, and there are others guilty of being on their high horse all the time as well, like I said, not singling you out. I consider it squashed. I am here to follow along, discuss, or just read. Not to play newbie vs old timer leveling wars on popularity. Haha Just throwing my hat in the ring and figured I would share my credentials to show my opinion has validity to all those that might think my "join date" means anything at all, because some times it don't. Nice to meet you by the way.

8 days after the chips were discovered, no word from DGE or Borgata sans the worthless P5s post. Wondering which will come first, class action notice in the mail, or an announcement from Borgata.

Logical expectation is to find out before the Main Event starts. IE Sunday.

There is so much on the stake for Borgata and NJDGE.

Bail is set when a warrant is issued. Conditions of release can be changed at the arraignment.

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Y'all sure know an awful lot about being arrested.

Just saying.

Play nice posters.

An announcement before the Main Event starting would be nice.

It is not uncommon to negotiate a surrender in order to avoid a public arrest. When a warrant is issued it is not uncommon to have a bond amount already in place, therefore the individual will know how much money he needs in order to post bond and be released. I have done this numerous times for clients.

Whaaat? I find this hard to believe. So there are no pics of counterfeit chips floating around this thread?

watching from the outside, though I guess I did know a person or two in it.

but the above is my opinion, especially if whatever choice they make is going to be unpopular. (eta: in that they're delaying until the main, which IMO is dumb but it seems like at least that's part of the strategy).

I just don't know how you don't bite the bullet here...or 27 bullets. or 4,000+ bullets. but it has to be done.