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01-18-2014 , 10:01 AM

#326

liverando

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This is an unfortunate situation, but the blame has to start with Tab the TD. I'd like to see him take some accountability for this because lord knows he has no problem taking credit when things are good.

Actually, we should probably give him a free pass because he was working on his fantasy sports teams and couldn't bother to look up from his computer. Totally understandable.

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01-18-2014 , 10:02 AM

#327

ChipKatcher

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Originally Posted by duffer230

I would bet that regardless of what Borgata does to "rectify" this there will be some suits regardless....

Not if they take the high road and responsibility.

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01-18-2014 , 10:06 AM

#328

ChipKatcher

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Originally Posted by liverando

No it's not the td, he can't see everything it's borgata as a whole they all failed from dealers to floors. But a lot comes down to floors who don't care and too dealers who don't care or understand none of them informed him when it was first seen. He can't be on the floor making rulings he's needed on sidelines for the multiple tournaments starting making sure everything runs smoothly. He seems to have always done a good job. But yet this happened so borgata as a whole is at fault more then one person approved an event center to be used.

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01-18-2014 , 10:08 AM

#329

DrawNone

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Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 4,791

if NJ treats this as some1 trying to cash in $20,000 in counterfeit chips at the cage (the amount of equity one poster calculated the fakes to be worth in the tournament) then these morons are going to be spending their Sklansky bucks to retain a competent lawyer.

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01-18-2014 , 10:17 AM

#330

MicroRoller

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Originally Posted by Guyra

excuse my stupidity but what good would RFID chips do in this particular example as counterfeit chips were brought into play? All RFID chips would be where they are supposed to be and the non RFID fake chips would be in play as well, right? Something I'm missing here?

It would ideally need to be coupled with scanning software at the tables. If player raises to 15k, table scanner only reads 5k in verified chips. It's problem.

Still requires vigilance but is a little easier. Also people can stop asking "how much you got behind" with the right software/setup.

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01-18-2014 , 10:41 AM

#331

GSobvShill

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 7

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Originally Posted by pninwin

latest bit of (unconfirmed) info...Harrah's employee said they had some serious plumbing problems because someone had flushed Borgata tourney chips in their toilet last night. seems ludicrous but people talking about this tonight in Harrah's poker room

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Originally Posted by BatPoker

Chip dumping?

Well done!

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01-18-2014 , 10:54 AM

#332

ZenForest

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Originally Posted by DrawNone

They should treat it more like someone (or group) trying to steal the $1million of prize money at the Final Table.

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01-18-2014 , 10:54 AM

#333

liverando

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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher

No it's not the td, he can't see everything it's borgata as a whole they all failed from dealers to floors. But a lot comes down to floors who don't care and too dealers who don't care or understand none of them informed him when it was first seen. He can't be on the floor making rulings he's needed on sidelines for the multiple tournaments starting making sure everything runs smoothly. He seems to have always done a good job. But yet this happened so borgata as a whole is at fault more then one person approved an event center to be used.

He doesn't move from his chair or look up from his computer. He spends more time doing fantasy sports than he does monitoring the tournaments. The guy has gotten so arrogant he doesn't care at all about his loyal players, staff, bloggers, etc. who are responsible for the growth of these tournaments. Calls himself the "godfather of re-entries" despite Matt Savage being the one who came up with the idea initially (and has since criticized their overuse). IMO TD needs to be held accountable-- He gets the credit when things are good, he should take the blame when there are problems. Not to mention a monkey could do his job at this point.

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01-18-2014 , 10:55 AM

#334

ZenForest

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Originally Posted by MicroRoller

lol....don't count on this. Casinos wont even invest in auto-shufflers for tournaments.

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01-18-2014 , 11:01 AM

#335

ZenForest

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

Obviously not happening very much - no serious action seems to be regularly taken and from what I've heard - when security found chips in Men's room in Foxwoods years ago they barred him and then reinstated him soon after, lol. It's just a joke, from Men and Foxwoods to Ken Lambert refunding the mega buy-in back after Men's cohorts were caught on camera. What can we do????

This needs to change, especially as Poker becomes more mainstream. At least if the hope is that it continues to grow. Tournament Directors & Casino's need to do more to ensure known cheaters are barred from these establishments.

NO MORE SECOND CHANCES for CHEATING SCUMBAGS !

It's always at the Players Expense

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01-18-2014 , 11:05 AM

#336

revots33

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Originally Posted by wildman75

However later on day 2...with around 100/120? people left I found a really funny looking one in my stack. It just felt different. The color was much different and just solid looking. It wasn't like the new chips and didn't have that glittery look to it. It just looked out of place in your stack. I remember throwing my ante in with it. A guy wins that pot and picks it up and was like what is this. He alerts the floor who gives him a real chip and takes it out of play.

Wow if this is true it looks really bad for the Borgata that the floor took an obviously fake chip out of play, yet tournament kept on going.

In all honesty I wonder if the Borg will decide after this that massive field tournaments like this are not worth the effort. Total take on 4k entries is only $240k, chump change after you pay all the dealers/staff etc. Of course it helps draw traffic to the casino so they make money elsewhere... but they might either start capping fields at a smaller number, or just run the bigger-buyin events that get smaller fields.

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01-18-2014 , 11:06 AM

#337

joeyrulesall

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Originally Posted by ZenForest

Poker is declining not becoming main stream.

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01-18-2014 , 11:06 AM

#338

alwayschillin19

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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher

He only cares about the bottom line at this point. Dealers who don't care?!?!? He has dealers working a 3 million $ tourney that have NEVEr dealt poker before it is their first day just to improve the bottom line..it is on Tab, he is the one in charge. He has to take the L

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01-18-2014 , 11:09 AM

#339

ZenForest

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

Poker is declining not becoming main stream.

How do you figure ?

Was this not a record # in attendance for this event ?

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01-18-2014 , 11:26 AM

#340

Alan C. Lawhon

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Originally Posted by GSobvShill

Well done!

This is so hilarious that I nearly fell out of my chair and rebroke my broken back laughing!! (This cartoon has to be an early favorite for 2+2 "Funniest Post of the Year" award.)

Broken Back Alan of Huntsville

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01-18-2014 , 11:44 AM

#341

MrFizzbin2

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Are there any lower denomination chips missing ? If the cheaters swap a 5k fake chip for either 1k or $500 chips equaling 5k.

You then use the skimmed chips later.

Or the are adding the 5 k to their stack after a color up where 5 k's are added, and slipping them in during table breaks when the players are moving between tables.

This is so LOL bad...

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01-18-2014 , 12:00 PM

#342

layemdown

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It is interesting and confusing that the restart is scheduled to start in an hour and nothing is posted here or in the news about the investigation.

In the Borgata blog it says, the tournament will play down to a winner today

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01-18-2014 , 12:02 PM

#343

WildBillgcp

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Originally Posted by FRYTWO

what does it matter if all non-cheating players were on the same playing field? all non-cheating players were not on the same playing field as cheating players.

Also, all non cheating players were not on the same playing field. Some had the extra chips in play at their table, some didn't.

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01-18-2014 , 12:06 PM

#344

duffer230

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feel bad for the no-guilty 27 this would tilt me so hard after playing so well to get there...

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01-18-2014 , 12:07 PM

#345

FlapJacks316

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 456

I qualified online through Party Poker NJ in their 50 seats satty into event 1. If Borgata doesnt come through with a refund, you better believe I'm hitting up Party Poker with refund demands.

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01-18-2014 , 12:07 PM

#346

ChipKatcher

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I'm definitely taking my business somewhere else maybe Maryland live will start to host big tournaments. All of their dealers are professional about almost everything.

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01-18-2014 , 12:08 PM

#347

layemdown

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Originally Posted by duffer230

feel bad for the no-guilty 27 this would tilt me so hard after playing so well to get there...

I don't see anyway this plays out where the 27 (assuming none cheated) don't get paid or play it out. They'll be fine. Hopefully, Borgata comp't rooms and expenses.

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01-18-2014 , 12:09 PM

#348

ChipKatcher

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Originally Posted by layemdown

That makes them look really bad... No statement nothing. At least a statement such as we can hold up the 27 players from finishing while the investigation continues.

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01-18-2014 , 12:10 PM

#349

FlapJacks316

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 456

I love the RFID chips/tables idea,similar to a concept I've had for years ..If i just had investors to put my Perfect Poker Table into the works ASAP

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01-18-2014 , 12:11 PM

#350

ChipKatcher

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Originally Posted by revots33

They figured and isolated incident and didn't want it to get out. Maybe they've seen the fake chips before maybe someone tested it out see if they could get them in play with smaller tournaments maybe they were switching the chips for months every tournament they played switched their own grays with fake so they had real chips to enter in this tournament and because the amount of people and chips the fakes are just now coming out.

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