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Old 01-17-2014, 10:29 PM   #251
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

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I played day 1a of this and ended up doing pretty well finishing 47th. To everyone talking about the brand new sparkling looking ones..those were real. Just brand new like u thought. There was also the older looking non shiny and non sparkly ones. The difference between these two was minimal. The fake ones were not shiny or sparkly. They looked and felt different. So everyone talking about the sparkly ones they were given by the floors, this is not what the fake ones looked like. I handled a few fake ones. Have no idea what's gonna happen or what's fair for all parties. Gl to tab and his crew on trying to deal with this.
Can you elaborate on you handling the fake chips? Out of curiosity, how many did u have? Did u alert the floor? Which day did you see them? How did you know they were fake?
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:30 PM   #252
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

What would a chop accomplish at this juncture?
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:32 PM   #253
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:37 PM   #254
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Aren't all major event's handled like this ?
What Casino has a Poker "Room" big enough for 5,000 +/- players
Possible change in the future
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:37 PM   #255
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

I just went to look at this event center, i didnt see any cameras. Not sure they are going to find out the specific source of this unless. Imo, I played in this, I didnt really care about a refund until I read some players were given this chips as initial entry or re-entry. That means there was a swap with original chips before the event started and someone had those original chips to add-on. Mbn to freeroll an add-on.

The whole thing, plus the inept dealers, awful registering, etc should make Borgata feel embarrassed at best. As other have said, I had to play dealer numerous times cutting chips or making sure main vs side pots were correct. I really felt bad as dealer after dealer told me yesterday it was their second day on the job. Many couldnt speak English well, and they looked extremely exhausted.
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:40 PM   #256
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

lol.............. #ChipGate on twitter


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Old 01-17-2014, 10:42 PM   #257
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

People should stop accusing Men. He does better work than this.
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:45 PM   #258
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

With a name like Men the Master I would think he couldn't be this clumsy. Why didn't players notice their fingers changing colors.
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:47 PM   #259
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Why didn't players notice their fingers changing colors.
your fingers change colors when you handle brand new real chips,
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:51 PM   #260
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

borgata is 1 of the most overrated poker rooms / casinos. Yes, they have real good tournaments but as far as customer service goes a lot of the people that work at borgata act like they are doing you , the customer, a favor for ''allowing'' you to gamble there, its been like that from the beginning because when they opened every other place in AC was and still is a **** hole so they act like you owe them something. ofcourse it is not all of the people that work there but a lot of the people that work there. Also so many people have been cheated with their hotel and room bills , with deposits and charges etc etc...
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:52 PM   #261
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

Quick calculation seems to suggest that $1 million chips is worth around $20,000 to $25,000 in equity. I'm assuming the 200 or so extra chips had to be split among numerous people in order to pull it off without being caught on the spot. Obviously, this equity is very hard to realize given the variance in tournaments. Seems like kind of a silly risk to take given the risk/reward.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:00 PM   #262
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What would a chop accomplish at this juncture?
as opposed to what other alternative? What are you doing with the final 27? And if somebody has unbreakable plans?
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:01 PM   #263
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I've known 5k chips for years. We come in contact once in a while at tournaments. They've been nothing but great to me and I have a hard time believing this is true.

I think we should all calm down until there is a proper investigation before we start slandering such a good denomination chip.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:02 PM   #264
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

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Quick calculation seems to suggest that $1 million chips is worth around $20,000 to $25,000 in equity. I'm assuming the 200 or so extra chips had to be split among numerous people in order to pull it off without being caught on the spot. Obviously, this equity is very hard to realize given the variance in tournaments. Seems like kind of a silly risk to take given the risk/reward.
You think $20,000 is not a lot to some people? If you walk around certain parts of Atlantic City flashing cash, you can easily get killed for 1/10th of that amount.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:06 PM   #265
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

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People should stop accusing Men. He does better work than this.
Trying not to let the "reputation" influence anything, just a fact about playing with Men on day 2.

He opens his bag to start the day and kept very dirty stacks for the duration I was at the table. No one really does that. I was on a short stack and didn't last long into day 2, but he wasn't doing the standard separate by chip denominations. Maybe I wasn't there long enough?

Not sure if different color grays would be distinguishable within a similar stack from the sides or if the dirty stacks would draw more attention.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:06 PM   #266
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

Heard they knew about this from end of day 1 or beginning of day 2.... From an employee. Also they told me from pic the chips on left were fake not the silver chip on the right. Just thought id pass it a long to the 4000 other players reading this.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:08 PM   #267
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

#chipgate hahahaha
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:09 PM   #268
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You think $20,000 is not a lot to some people? If you walk around certain parts of Atlantic City flashing cash, you can easily get killed for 1/10th of that amount.
It is, just very difficult to realize and I'm assuming that were probably at least 5 people involved. So it's $4,000 each and if it's a player who earns income from this, they risk ruining their career, etc.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:12 PM   #269
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

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Serves them right. I hope the NJGC does come down hard on the Borgata. If they had made an example of Men The Master years ago by prosecuting him and sending him off to do a 5-10 year prison stretch, (and put the fear of God in other would-be cheats by doing so), they might not be confronted with this calamity.

I've talked with old-timers, (i.e. Las Vegas dealers and other folks who were around back in the "good old days" - the 1950's and 1960's), when most of the Vegas joints were run by the mob. They've told me that back then if you got caught cheating, the "wise guys" had a very effective - and a very quickly dispensed - method of dealing with you ... they dragged you out in the alleyway and proceeded to impair your ability to walk. Nowadays places like the Borgata seem to be content with "Now tsk tsk boys. Please don't let us catch you cheating because it might make us look bad ..."

And some people wonder why poker is dying.

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Old 01-17-2014, 11:13 PM   #270
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

i'm one of the final 27. my instinct is that this will be played tomorrow and the borgata already has a lot of info on the guilty party. lots of rumors flying around so i am not going to say i know the truth but i have heard that they somehow have found counterfeit chips in a harrah's hotel room and know who brought them. i dunno, maybe total nonsense. if in fact the guilty party is "The Master" as everyone suspects then they might already have him nailed but are just trying to find out if one of the remaining 27 was an accomplice (which i have also heard is plausible) before finishing the event. obviously i want to play tomorrow. it seems to not complete this would be a disaster for the borgata
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:15 PM   #271
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

i agree with everyone btw who says we shouldn't point fingers but...the man's name is already out there. i'm still hoping it was a color up issue but seems unlikely
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:20 PM   #272
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open

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my instinct is that this will be played tomorrow
When do you think they will tell you?
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:21 PM   #273
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My buddy who is still in the tourney (he is top 10 and has never had a 5 figure score) called me this morning and said he felt like he was gonna faint and throw up about the situation.

Not to mention, he took days off of work, will now miss his flight tomorrow, and will have to explain to his boss why he is not coming in tomorrow night and possibly sunday.

What a joke this is. He got comped free room for tonight and tomorrow, no word on flight reimbursement, spending money, etc...this is a total nightmare.
Feel awful for this guy and rest of the 27...unless they're involved. Then they need to be driven to Vector and let the good ole boys do work

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Old 01-17-2014, 11:25 PM   #274
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:26 PM   #275
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i agree with everyone btw who says we shouldn't point fingers but...the man's name is already out there. i'm still hoping it was a color up issue but seems unlikely
If your in the tournament the final 27 shouldn't you know it's not color up and that it's counterfeit chips? So how is it a color up issue? You should be on top of this I feel.
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