http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_wru...lated#t=11m16s

I've seen plenty of high stakes players who've played him HU say he is extremely good or difficult to play against. Couple of examples:

Stinger: "Some players who have given me problems at HU PLO are Ivey, Niki Jedlicka, Ben Grundy, and LuckyGump." http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=153

Gordo16: "he is just a sicko... ive gotta imagine most of those hands from 50/100 are hu though..

i think he's the only person that is legitimately on my 'no hu action' list and will never leave it"
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=28

How much have you actually played him HU anyway? Most of the hands are not 6 max.

riverboatking, .. just enjoy your highstakes private games that are like 10nl games but for 10's of thousand of dollars and your % of 2cracked and all those dumb kids who ask you for coaching.. don't talk about stuff you don't know.. even in NVG. Having made $ when it was easy and now being able to play those easy games doesnt make you an expert in anything.

So sad when oldies that could probably not beat 1/2 nl over a decent sample, think they are still worthy of any attention. You basically won the poker lotto, now gtfo.

its probably the easiest site out there, full of italian casino fish, to bad its way to shady about withdrawals and ownership. but i do see 10/20 and higher games running. 1/2 there is prolly easier than nl25 on stars

i saw this ben grundy graph 2 years ago, i honestly dont know why is there a big fuss about it now. it was suerly possibly to win this much if u played on entraction, boss media, betfair etc, HSPLO games were running all the time

hmmm lets see how you did.

[ ] regularly play in big private games
[ ] have a % of DC
[ ] coach dumb kids

nice use of irony imo.

please show me where i said i thought he was a losing player, a bad player, or anything to that effect.

i simply said myself, and several other HS players that i know think its unlikely the graph is real.

however i don't really give a **** if it is or not, and i continually wonder why i ever open this forum.

i need more tylenol PM.

He posted a screenshot of his Poker tracker database at the start of the year to attempt to prove the doubters wrong. Some people said he had doctored his database by removing losing sessions but he showed some of these losses in the screen shot:

http://milkybarkids.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-year.html

You finally got it right!

make more HU PLO videos!

Oh my sweet lord.

[ ] 7 mill in winnings means his br is now 7mill.

He has 32 posts, REKONIZE!

rbk stop responding to ******s. anyone with a clue figures ur opinion is justified, the ignore button is there for a reason

tru dat, i retire.

and fwiw i think ben is generally a very friendly nice guy from the limited interactions i've had with him, so i hope for his stake the graph is real.

cheers.

that owl srsly looked mad

You said no-one who'd played with him thought the graph is real. My point was some big winners think he is very good and hardly anybody has been playing the same stakes as him on the same sites since 2005, so it's really difficult for anyone to know what kind of winrates a very good player could sustain then. Players like kaintd have shown that even higher winrates are possible heads up, if the edge is large enough, so it's certainly not impossible.

People are seriously underestimating how bad the players were a few years back playing high stakes plo on the euro sites and how much money was going around there.

FWIW, he for sure won a lot on betfair and crypto back in the day.

im sure the $500k dowswings included NL which is not on the graph, would people stop going on about that.

If PTR didnt exist and Nanonoko or Kaintd posted their graphs how many people would think it was real? I would think most peoples opinion of nanonoko would be very different.

Hasnt it long been said that Benyamines style should not be a winning style but somehow is? hmm sounds familiar.

RBK your points about HSNL not believing it is ridiculous. The standard line among all poker players is to think everyone apart from them and their buddies is always terrible. "that guy?! i seen him make some dumb moves i would never make, hes pretty bad". Remember when everyone thought Ivey was a fish, Benyamine IS a fish but still manages to win. Durrr was considered terrible before everyone found out he was a big winner.

Remember how much money people made in the party days? ive heard ridic numbers. Well a lot of euro sites stayed soft after the yanks left believe it or not. Im pretty sure if PTR had tracked euro sites for years it would blow peoples mind how much money was made.

Also it has been said previously but the naysayers havent responded. If Ben was faking these graphs how the hell would badbeat not know? It makes sense for badbeat also to not back him for nosebleeds against very good players, just doesnt seem like a good business decision on their part. "hey you know all that money ive made for you, well i'd like to risk it playing the very best players at nosebleed limits?"

Im not sure where this rumour about Benyamines style being bad for plo has come from.

lol...the guy has lost a lot of what he won. perhaps he was just on a heater?

He lost it all on other games though.

No-one's ever said Benyamine's bad at PLO. He's probably the best if not in the top 3 PLO players in the world. His PLO results back it up too.

So why effectively call him a liar?

So what the News is that Ben Grundy wants a stake, the views are that he's a total plo sicko, and the gossip is that his giraffe is obv fake, but he's a nice guy apparantly, and the dude who continues to gossip about fake giraffes hopes it isn't fake, and Grundy gets his stake....

LOL at the internets

It's hard for the yank kids to believe this graph because they only discovered PLO few years ago.
In Europe PLO has been played since forever.
I remember playing 20/20 PLO against Rolf Slotboom and Marcel Luske in Amsterdam in 2002.
They were both regulars, Luske was crushing and dominating PLO at the time while Slootboom was building his BR with his short stacking strategy.
It was probably 2003 or 2004 when the game broke because online mid-high stakes PLO took off.
There were huge fish in those games.

In today's online PLO it's hard to have a win rate like Grundy's, that's why so many kids are non-believers.
It's a graph across all sites for a span of 5+ years ffs, very realistic imo.

cliffs of the blog: not updated for about 3 months, then, an entry titled "an update at last" where he mentions these items:

--poker's been bad for the last 4-6 weeks and he only wants to play big, so he's looking for a stake for 100/200+.

--he's up "$2 million ish in the last 2 years with [his] current backer at 25/50 - 50/100."

--he just lost PT and the 300k hands he had on his computer. He "thought [he'd] saved the hands on an external disk drive, but obviously not."

--someone keyed his Audi R8 again.

--he's probably going to retire the blog until he starts playing big again.

Add his other screennames to the total, he deserves to be recognized in full power.

David Benyamine: $11.575.563 in PLO.