Who would want to stake a guy that's already making $25,000+ prop bets?

O RLY?

Are you saying Oktoberfest4ever is Ben Grundy too? If so, that blows a pretty big hole in his graph.

its fake hes bust /thread

Player: Oktoberfest4ever
Net: $188,076
Hands: 333,585
BB/100: 2.43

how is that him with the amount of hands played :S

This style of play would have EXTREME swings, which his results do not show. Not saying he's lying, but I am saying there is very little evidence that he is telling the truth.

I would guess the SD is too low for PLO, especially his type of game, but I really don't know for sure.

luckyjimm, is this ben grundy
Player: Oktoberfest4ever
Net: $188,076
Hands: 333,585
BB/100: 2.43
you posted it and it has that amount of hands :???

i do not see two 500k downswings on the graph


why can't the current backer back him for slightly higher stakes and see how that goes?

those of you who think the graph is real should stop playing poker because you are a @#@$ing moron.

ben already said he wouldn't post in the thread more, he made a throw away comment about wanting staking for the nosebleeds (50/100+) and has basically said he can grind 25/50 and 50/100 comfortably but wouldnt mind a shot at them.

dunno, seems hes a major winning player, and to accuse of doctoring to make him look like he wins a bit more is just ridiculous.

defend himself?

I'd like to know what graph people are looking at to say it has no swings. He's playing 2kPLO and 5kPLO. With the amount of hands he's playing versus how the graph is set up, it's going to look smooth. I see about a hundred 20-50k swongs.

I'm not claiming to know what I'm talking about, but just because someone is playing 80 percent of the hands and 3betting like a machine doesnt mean they are just stacking off at every whim. If his selection in opponents is better then yours, he can deduce alot with those min 3bets. If the opponent is poor and you play a style they aren't accustomed to(b/c everyone is used to 3bet, pot, pot), you don't have to have a graph that looks like you are flipping every hand.

The graph is on 7million dollars people. He's playing games with 2,000 chips in play. graph reading FTW. 800k ladder jumps with 2-5k in play isn't going to be a bumpy looking ride.

There should be a poll ITT with the following options:

1. I have played with him and I believe the graph.
2. I have played with him and I do not believe the graph.
3. I have not played with him and I believe the graph.
4. I have not played with him and I do not believe the graph.

What else can he say? He's said that the graph is real, offered a bet (admittedly that bet is a freeroll on his part) and that it was a fleeting comment and he can play 25/50 and 50/100 on his own money but just thought it would be fun to play nosebleeds on a backer.

I'm not really giving an opinion on whether the graph is real or not, it just seems there's not much he can say now. I doubt he cares that much either way, obviously his backers will know his actual results. I doubt he's going to go to great lengths to prove his results just because of this thread, and it's not like he's really obligated to either.

I was staked briefly by the people who staked Ben, Badbeat.com. My mentor told me Ben made big money, there were a few guys being staked who only gave up 30% of their profits but they were making huge money and everyonne else gave up 50%. He told me he railed Ben frequently and Ben constantly put his money in behind and won.

No I didn't say that at all. Neither of those players whose results I quoted are anything to do with Ben Grundy/this thread. I just thought it was LOL that one of them had made more money in a few hundred hands than the other had made in hundreds of thousands. Sorry for the distraction.

Dangs unfortunately backed Durrrr against Isildur and had to drop to 50-100

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lol

Entertaining thread this

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful...earch/kaintd77

He did the same thing at 1/10th the stakes: 5/10. Its quite possible to do what kaint did at 50/100 given how fishy HU PLO is (I can speak from first hand experience on that one)

speaking as someone with a lot of experience with high stakes CAP and shallow PLO, your full of ****

anyone with ben grundy's winrate at deeper PLO should have no issue with shallow PLO. Im sure many of the fish he's played against sat shortstacked. Most fish do.

Defend himself how?

Other than saying that he wasn't really asking for backing and he swears on his families life and is willing to bet $25k the graph is real?

He has posted ITT. Read it.

yo genius, there is a difference between buying a piece and staking.
durrr wasn't "backed" or "staked" he sold pieces.

if you don't know the difference, well then....

but ya the fact that not a single HS player that has actually played with ben thinks his graph is real is prolly just cuz we're all a bunch of butt hurt americans that can't stand that a european is so much better then us.....


and fwiw, there are a BUNCH of very well known super high stakes players i have personally heard say they think that graph is total BS, but have no interest in posting in a NVG thread, cuz face it for the most part the entire composition of busto NVGtards are braindead and completely impervious to reason.

I think Ben Grundy just wants to play on someone's dime so that the swings don't have a personally effect . It makes sense, he's a winning player that seems to like to take his winnings out of the poker world and use them for real life things.... but it seems most people are degens and don't understand that some people don't want to have their money tied up in the pokerz.