first of all, you are right, I didn't read the thread (the subject not interesting enough).

secondly, sure it is possible to win a lot on sites other than the big ones which ptr tracked/tracking, but as I said, from what he shows on fulltilt, he just don't seems like a guy who will play very intensively and will put a huge volume, and in order to win at the stakes he won, such sum, you have to play super intensively, but it's just not his mentality.

and if you yourself say he is a bankroll nit, well, bankroll nits don't win such amounts, BECAUSE THEY ARE NITS (in their playing style also).

hmm, if he really had a $4mm roll then theres no reason on earth he should be worried, at least for 200/400 CAP/shallow PLO. With the buyin in that game at 16k, he really has 250 buyins, thats way more than enough.

I think his graph is real, i just think he's just kind of foolish to keep using backers when all that money could be his.

Poker is not taxed in the UK.

fwiw i had a high stakes PLO player told me prob a little over a year ago when one of his lifetime graphs up to that point had been posted that he was pretty skeptical that it could actually be real as there was just little to no variance in comparison w/ the stakes he plays and who he plays. who knows tho, maybe he is just the hottest running PLO player on earth and that epic downswing is on its way.

he would get crushed at cap games imo. his game is about playing through the streets and he is agood as they come at applying pressure on turn river etc. at times he makes durrr and viktor look like nits. cap games arent real poker its just flips in effect.

im not talking about ben because i read his blog btw. we are staked by the same backers (and no they dont take americans before anyone asks) and ive watched him play and crush for years.

just because he can afford to take a shot at the bigger games with his own money doesnt mean he should. hes spent years building up that money and may want to do other things with it. look how good a player viktor is and although he is worshipped on here he did the lot at the end of the day by having no discipline/BR management.

all hail the boom and bust players and the players who manage their money properly or like to play with little/no risk must be all liars lol.

He bet anyone he can prove it. Put up or shut up imo

You do realize sports stars who have made 10x more money than Ben have gone busto also right?

Ben grundy is.. iirc 31. He has a solid 60 years on his life. Also, how do you know all 7 million is his? How do you know he wasn't backed for a ton of it? Maybe he only has 3 million? 3 million isn't a lot for 60 years of life (it'll set you good, but not if you want to play nosebleeds). If Ben wants to play 200/400 PLO, 3million is 75 buy-ins. You don't need to be an expert in variance to say that a -75 buy-in drop in nosebleed PLO isn't possible. Even if he only loses 25 buy-ins, that's 1/3rd of his net worth. Why would he take that risk?

someone who is getting stakes for the last 2 years, and then publicly looking for a stake, is MUCH more likely to fake a graph/purge a lot of sessions, than someone who never sells action.

people who's goal to earn enough money for the rest of their lifes, for lets say 60 years, without the need to work anymore are just STUPID and little people.

if the money was big enough I'm sure he'd let you fly out there and look at his DB's in person

you probably don't realize how easy it is to fake a graph along with the hand histories.

I'm still not getting this. Can someone summarise some logical reasons beyond speculation that suggest this graph is fake?

lol we passed that point with RBK 's intervention

plo is a high variance game and he plays a high variance style but his graph has very few swings

i must admit that i've always had lingering doubts about grundy's graph.

whenever i've seen him play on ftp he is nearly always hitting and running or bitching about some really standard PLO coolers or bad beats.

to fake a graph would be kinda weird though.

You're the only one arguing that the graph is fake.

You can see in this screenshot that his winrate over 320k hands was 13.4BB/100. With a winrate that high, even with extremely high variance, the graph has very similar swings to what this variance simulator predicts.

thread needs a poll imo

quick, someone shine the ben wb-signal a highstakes euro player is in trouble!

If Ben posted fake graphs, his backers would drop him for sure.

It would show him to be dishonest, which is surely the most important thing a horse is not.

I would be willing to bet alot of $$$ that his graphs are real.

It's funny how people are so gullible and trusting in 2010 after so many cases of shady characters and scamming. Particularly when the pieces of the story just don't add up.

If he is backed then why would he over-state his winnings? Surely, this would just mean that he'd have to hand over more £ to his backers? If he wanted to 'cheat' his backers he'd pretend he won less than he did.

From his graph it looks like he's won roughly $8m. If he's on a deal whereby his backers receive 25% of his winnings then if they've received any less than $2m they'd obviously start asking questions. He can't publicise results that don't match what he's telling his backers. The fact that he is backed must mean that these results are legit....i just still can't get my head around how he does it with his style.

Yeah, can anyone explain why you would actually want to fake a graph of you winning millions of dollars? I assume that these are the same people who all say that PTR will kill the games because they can see who the sharks are from their nice upwards graphs and avoid playing them. so grundy would basically be shooting himself in the foot.

surely it would be better for him to knock up a graph showing that he's a losing player so that he could get more action, instead of people always refusing to play him.

Anyway, all these people questioning the legitimacy of his winnings. Are you going to question the fact that he owns a couple of nice houses in London or whatever? I get that logic isn't an NVG strongpoint but still.

You can't be serious....

-Part of the ridiculousness of the graph is how little he has played over the years. One graph he posted was 44k hands in a year, which certainly fits with your description of only playing one table, etc. There is no direct correlation between how often you play and with what intensity you play, to say that Ben doesn't play intensely when you know nothing about his play is pretty stupid.

-It can definitely make sense for some people to get staked even when they have the money, and it's such a situational decision that for you to say it doesn't make sense or is stupid is again, quite naive.

-LOLOL at bankroll nits being nits in playing style. I guess since nanonoko mainly plays 2/4-5/10 after winning almost $2m, he must be a huge nit (hint: he isn't). There is absolutely no way that being a bankroll nit is always equal to being a nit in play, and that might have been the worst point of your post.

a word from grundy?

what do you want him to say though ?