Excuse me for interrupting people's masturbating levels. seems some can't avoid levelling much like a daily jerk off, but you may continue. Obviously there's garbage of argument for the fold in which case I commend you and please by all means continue... I understand reaching your daily quota for posts is important.

But aside from all that, isnt folding the nuts to someone some form of penalty-deserving move because it suggests collusion. Was any action like that taken or is that penalty reserved for only till the river?

Na its not based on social skills but these players will move onto the live scene to get the TV contracts to support a stable income.
Maybe Durrr is the best online at the min (another arguement all together) but this is over a small time period, already he's struggled on the live scene. Where i believe Rapture will continue to grow and become a much more respected player. Also i like durrr, even a little jealous (wish i could run half as good as him) and i hope he does progress as a player.

He's struggled on the live scene? If the speculated millions he's won at private live games this year is "struggling" then I can't wait to see him when he's on his game lol.

thank you Pablo for injecting some sanity in this debate.

clayton himself said this was a terrible terrible fold, how in the world can u even fathom to justify folding the nuts. If he has jack ten clubs, all u can do is call and hope a club doesnt hit. You are a fave against every possible hand besides a chop.

Thats like saying u would fold AA on the first hand of the WSOP if someone went all in before you, bc u dont want to risk ur tourney life on one hand, when u can pick up chips against weaker players later on.

I did not mean to turn this into a live/online debate, but when seeing people attempting this justify this fold made me tilt.

There are many many many good internet players out there who have success both live and online, but it is an insult to live players who have decades of experience.

Online/live play is a different skill set, jus as tournament play is vs cash play.

Jen Harman admits she is a loser lifetime online, i challenge any of u kids to go play her at any game of ur choice and see how that one turns out.

I havent watched much of Durrr play online so i cant really speak to where his genuis comes from, but sit him down live vs Kenny tran or Stu ungar and watch his soul get crushed

So, it's not rigged, but it's rigged.


Gotcha.

On a related question, would any of you "don't fold the nuts" people consider laying down in a similar situation but where the straight cards were smaller (say, flop is Js Ts 7c and the villain has red 98) due to the additional presence of hands like Qs 9s and Ks Qs that are favored over you?

thats a good question moose, the situation depends, if ur in the early stages of the tournament i think u have to call and hope for the best.

If ur near the bubble and the 10,000 means alot to u i can justify folding there as to avoid the variance.


I dont think online poker is RIGGED i jus dont run like GOD like some of u kids do, i give u props tho i am jeaolous

wow...

But he's not chopping against that range. Chopping is 50/50.

He's like 58% against the range you agreed with.

Huh? What hand are you talking about?

pretty amazing that people actually agree with this fold, I guess it is NVG after all though

Early in this years WSOP ME , some guy flopped quad aces but was beaten when his opponet either turned or rivered a royal flush.

In their card player column, Binger and roy winston debated the hand. Binger made a case for the guy with quad aces to only call when the guy with the royal bet out on the river ( the quad aces raised all in and was busted)

Wintsons reply was classic, he stated " im not that good enough of a player to just call there, also i dont see monsters under my bed at night "

obviously still no, because there's tons in there and you don't need anywhere near 50% equity to call...

Durrrr would crush Stu Ungar if they sat down to play today imo....

Live poker.

i realize i ran the risk of ******s who cant beat .5/1 limit to post in my thread when I posted in NVG, but come on guys. come onnnnnn.

***** stop it.

He flopped a set, the other dude turned a straight, and the river was the case A making quads and the royal.

Thanx for the clarifaction nit

np fish

Not sure why, but I laughed extremely hard at this.

Originally Posted by BklynGrinder
THIS IS similiar to michael binger saying in card player he would only call with quad aces in that infamous hand in the WSOP ( other guy had royal flush)

If you guys don't understand the logic behind just calling with AA here on a board of A109QA instead of pushing all in then you obviously aren't on a high level of poker thinking. Michael Binger knows what he is talking about here as nothing besides the royal flush is going to call an all in here. You really think a 1010 is going to call an allin??? Profitability in poker is not going anywhere as ppl even on this forum are completely inept from learning the rational thinking involved.

Terrapins sweatshirt?

Argh.....this play is not representative of all the poker players in Maryland :/

when luck shuts the door, you gotta come in through the window imo

i understand wut ur saying, but considering its the main event with a large % of donks, you still have to raise that hand. Against a stronger opponent i can see jus calling, but the guy who had the royal flush was that idiot with the red hair and wife beater that ESPN featured prominently. Some people cant fold full houses ( KK QQ 1010) even if they suspect theyre beaten. If u have quad aces and are somehow beaten its jus a cold deck.

Just let it go man, seriously.

Note: Congratulations, you are responsible for one of the most ******ed thread bumps ever seen on 2+2.