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06-04-2015 , 07:54 PM

#276

highhustla

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^ that's definitely nothing like his glasses, though

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06-04-2015 , 07:56 PM

#277

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by PTLou

darmattersmans pic was shopped as a joke. pretty good shop skills,

isn't tampering with evidence a crime

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Originally Posted by eobmtns

All kinds of bifocals out there. For example a "progressive" lens (see below) may have several zones and, while they aren't supposed to have lines like traditional bifocals, the "suspicious disc" may just be a change in focus along the lens surface. The guy looks to be in his 50s and it would make sense for him to have varied-focal-length eyeglasses.

if this was the case the lense correction would be uniform from side to side.

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06-04-2015 , 07:59 PM

#278

arcdog

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Originally Posted by socccer4life3

Pretty sure security cameras have the technology to see invisible ink. Similar to the red "boxes" for lack of a better word that cards are put into during a shoe of blackjack.

If such cameras do exist then my guess is while they may be used in the pit area, they'd be unlikely to be found in the convention center at the Rio during the WSOP. Doesn't seem like a place the Rio would spend extra money on - temporary cameras for 6 weeks of the year in games where the casino can't lose money.

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06-04-2015 , 08:01 PM

#279

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Originally Posted by RJPoker

The initial analysis of card decks have indicated no marking agents or any distortion to the cards. The decks have been sent off for additional analysis beyond what is normally done by every Vegas casino.

they got em' working in shifts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9CynvMlFyo

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06-04-2015 , 08:03 PM

#280

ZeckoRiver

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Yeah, who is this chick working the WSOP who is a known thief?

More on this?

CHEATERS AND THIEVES - ARE WE BACK IN THE 80s and 90s?

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06-04-2015 , 08:10 PM

#286

handbag86

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Perhaps an infrared contact lens fixed onto the lens of his glasses?

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06-04-2015 , 08:12 PM

#287

Steve Brecher

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Originally Posted by RJPoker

Did Coca cheat? I have no idea based on the pure supposition in your post. Is it possible? Yes, it is possible. Is there any proof of cheating? There is absolutely no proof at this time that Coca cheated.

Have you accused Coca of cheating? You have definitively accused Coca of cheating in more than 1 heads up match. Now Jack Eiffel and his team at the WSOP will review video from the eye in the sky if available as well as any decks of cards used at the time. Most ,likely the video will be nondescript and the decks of cards lost in the chain of evidence. If that is the situation then the investigation will go nowhere. However, for your sake you better hope that the investigation will bear fruit.

Why should you be concerned? If the WSOP cannot substantiate your cheating allegations then you are subject to civil action for libel. Coca may not have won the $10,000 HU bracelet but you may inevitably be his cash cow. You have branded him a cheat for all casinos running poker tourneys and cash games. If those allegations cannot be substantiated you are definitely at risk in civil litigation. The question becomes have you damaged his ability to partake in poker and in that regard adversely affected his ability to make a living with poker. If so, you would be liable for a major sum of money.

If you were to make those allegations against someone like myself, and if those allegations could not be substantiated, you would be facing a major lawsuit as all of the evidence I need is in this forum thread and on social media. Moreover, you have used your position as a well known poker pro to basically sick the dogs on a fellow player in the public eye.

What should you have done? it is quite simple. If you thought that Coca had cheated you should have privately voiced your concerns to Jack Eiffel and WSOP staff. It would be up to the WSOP and Caesars Entertainment to privately investigate the possibility of cheating. At no time should these allegations have ever found their way onto a thread of this type or social media. For your sake you better hope the allegations can be proven to be true. If not, I am sure numerous attorneys will be knocking on Coca's door with an offer of representation to sue you as allegations of cheating against any poker pro could be financially devastating. Ask yourself one question. What if a fellow poker pro accused you of cheating in your heads up match and posted those accusations in this forum thread and all over social media. What would be the affect on your poker career as well as the perception of you as a poker pro. Good luck.

I am not a lawyer. In fact, I am so much not a lawyer that I quote Wikipedia on defamation:

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There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, the person must prove that the statement was false, caused harm, and was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement.

Assuming "you" refers to Connor (blanconegro), the author of a post near the beginning of this thread, which statement(s) meet the criteria? The post is described as containing "pure supposition"; is supposition libelous?

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06-04-2015 , 08:13 PM

#288

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Originally Posted by Gokou

I believe you're thinking of Valentin Vornicu who's friend with Aditya Prasetyo. Valentin got 96th in the Colossus, and Adi took 6th.

This guy is Valeriu Coca

You're right. Thanks

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06-04-2015 , 08:19 PM

#289

highhustla

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Originally Posted by Steve Brecher

I am not a lawyer. In fact, I am so much not a lawyer that I quote Wikipedia on defamation:
Assuming "you" refers to Connor (blanconegro), the author of a post near the beginning of this thread, which statement(s) meet the criteria? The post is described as containing "pure supposition"; is supposition libelous?

I wasn't going to go there with the smug attorney, but +1.

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06-04-2015 , 08:19 PM

#290

limon

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Originally Posted by Cantrell

Loving all these non-stop scandals

right now it seems we have some egomaniac "pros" who got owned by some rando euro in a HUSNG and are losing their shyt, ≠ scandal

now this could change in a hurry if the boys in the WSOP crime lab find a deck with the card values marked on the back, THEN well have a scandal!

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06-04-2015 , 08:21 PM

#291

BVB Dortmund

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I respect him for cheating...no difference in what he did and what the online wizards do with HUDS

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06-04-2015 , 08:21 PM

#292

PTLou

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Confirmed Coca played all flights of Colossus.

Tournament was tainted.

22,374 refunds incoming.

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06-04-2015 , 08:25 PM

#293

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I have two comments about what I perceive as bad thinking in this thread.

1) With regard to the K5o hand, it's unlikely the accused marked every card in the deck. He wouldn't know that his opponent had 33, but he would know his opponent did not have an Ace, King, or Queen.

2) Just because someone cheats often does not mean they are a perfect cheater. People do not behave optimally. There's no reason the accused wouldn't make mistakes or misplay throughout a match.

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06-04-2015 , 08:32 PM

#294

eobmtns

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Semicircle on right side of 'disc' is added to pic.

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06-04-2015 , 08:33 PM

#295

DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by Yumbula

Didn't read the entire thread but any inks people are talk about is well know to casinos.

Their cameras would pick that up like a neon light, would be veryyyyy suprised if they didn't the moment card marking was suspected.

I'm going to bet the cameras they have over the thousands of tournament tables are closer to the black and white, low-res convenience store type. Not like any of the casino's money is sitting on those tables.

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06-04-2015 , 08:37 PM

#296

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Originally Posted by RJPoker

Troll? I am at home in FL recuperating from 6 surgeries and missing the beginning of the WSOP. I hope to make it out soon and enjoy the series. I am also an attorney and am laughing my butt off as I see dollar signs for some Nevada attorney who is hoping that there is no proof of cheating after Connor made the classic mistake of posting this cheating allegation. If it is not true, or cannot be substantiated, then it is classic defamation of character and libel per se. My post was meant to curtail this allegation but it has gone viral.

Coca has numerous cashes in Europe and his GPI is 777. If the allegations cannot be substantiated then he has an excellent civil lawsuit. The non-lawyers seem to think that his Czech cheating allegations would have some bearing on a Nevada civil action. Any decent attorney would be able to keep those allegations out of the litigation as there is no criminal or civil action ever filed against Coca.

Connor and his poker buds that suspect cheating should just keep quiet and let Jack do his job. Undoubtedly the Nevada Gaming Commission has taken the lead in the investigation. If the NGC does not substantiate cheating then Connor is in a very poor legal position.

hahahahah... you have to prove harm was caused

Uhmmm... according to that Czech article, he has been banned from Prague casinos for cheating. Tough to say further allegations of cheating have damaged the reputation of someone who is a confirmed cheater.

Please, stop posting.

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06-04-2015 , 08:39 PM

#297

azimma

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Originally Posted by DK Barrel

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/ny...k-was-not.html

The Invisible Ink That Wasn’t: A Player Pleads Guilty to Marking Cards at a Casino

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It turned out that others could see his supposedly invisible ink — casino surveillance operators, if they played the video from their cameras in black-and-white rather than color. A surveillance operator at Mohegan Sun did and called in the state police, who arrested Mr. Koloshi.

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06-04-2015 , 08:40 PM

#298

DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by eobmtns

Semicircle on right side of 'disc' is added to pic.

It's a 500x375 jpg, what you're seeing are just compression artifacts. CSI isn't real, you can't gain detail by inflating a picture.

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Originally Posted by azimma

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/ny...k-was-not.html

The Invisible Ink That Wasn’t: A Player Pleads Guilty to Marking Cards at a Casino

Huh.

Does that make me right or wrong?

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06-04-2015 , 08:41 PM

#299

Badman Dan

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Originally Posted by BVB Dortmund

I respect him for cheating...no difference in what he did and what the online wizards do with HUDS

Congrats!! We have a new "stupidest comment".

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06-04-2015 , 08:47 PM

#300

Andyfothershops

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Originally Posted by Badman Dan

Congrats!! We have a new "stupidest comment".

Almost as bad as the attorney who thinks the alleged cheater has a reputation to damage, but not quite.

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