Poker is very similar to financial trading in the sense that lots of people try but few are successful and even fewer by a big margin. Both are really pyramid schemes where the worse players/traders give money to the better ones by making -EV decisions and playing/trading with no edge. The brokers/casinos make money in transaction fee/rake, the better players/traders make money subject to variance but the majority lose. Most lose a bit, some addicts lose a lot.

Trading is by far a more uneven playing field due to the money involved with Goldman Sachs and co employing an army of maths and statistical geniuses to gain a edge even over pension funds and other institutional investors let alone Joe Bloggs trying to day trade.

What he is saying in my opinion is he doesn't mind playing pros and billionaire business men and taking their money because they can afford it and they know the risk. What he is saying is he doesn't want to become a poker celeb and attract new uninformed people to lose their money. He has my respect in his stance. The people hating on him are doing so because they want more fish to run over and think this 'bad for poker' stance reduces the chance of that. Maybe that says more about you than him.

u keep eating fish but u are still crying for them

The crocodile tears syndrome

Hi Sheldon Adelson
Not eneough money from One Drop, so you decide to take some more from Adelson to ad poker?

Dont you rememer times, when you cheated a ton of guys, even ur coach? Scum before, scum now...
Mrgreen confirmed multiaccounting

coleman wins postofthedecade too imo

*Coalman

If the reports of Colman having less than 10% of himself are true, maybe his investors should've given the speeches instead.

On no sleep but okay I'll try to answer. He mainly players hu hyper turbos online, he also plays hu turbo sngs, and occasionally plays hu cash online. He hasn't played too many live tournaments, and has already become one of the biggest money winners all time.

People have the right to spend their money however they choose. If someone who's a losing player but thinks they can win, is it really that much different than a baseball player who thinks he will be able to make the minors or pros but he can't. Is it that much different than someone who goes broke trying to start a business but fails. Or someone who invests in the stock market and goes broke. Is it really that much different than someone who gets married and that marriage ends in divorce. This happens in everything people do.

People who play poker do so because they choose to. Bottom line. There a lot of worse things people can choose to do. Any player has a chance to win in poker, but there are many things someone can do where that same person has no chance to get any return at all or less of a chance.

There are so many different reasons why people play poker, and not everyone is in it for the money. The businessman who played the One Drop are not all in it for the money. They enjoy the competition, they want to win, but they also want some publicity, and the achievement. The social atmosphere, the fun the comes with it and the memories, as well as bragging rights.

That is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it, and I'm open to hearing a better one.

mrgreen for **** president

People choose from the choices that are available to them. These choices are based on information - often incomplete information. Pretty simple really - directing "fish" (and we are all fish in some respects in this life) into an activity where they will be fish again is the morally reprehensible part of it all. Yes, this is capitalism where we are living right now but props to Colman for being able to understand two apparently (to some or maybe many) mutually exclusive concepts.

Finals thoughts, tired of hearing people say "poker has no value in society". That is garbage. Poker has a lot of value to me, watching and playing it. I'm a poker fan, just like someone is a sports fan. Are you going to tell a sports fan, spending so much time rooting for their favorite team has no value to them?

There are more people who want jobs then there are jobs available. Not everyone can work a normal job because there are not enough jobs. There are people who are unemployed who want to be working but can't find work for extended amounts of time and some who won't be hired at all for various reasons. What about someone who has no work experience. What about someone who doesn't have a college degree. How easy can these people find work? People who play poker spend money everywhere, the money is spent, society is benefiting. Someone is being helped every time someone loses.

Final point. Poker creates more jobs. Poker dealers. Enough said.

reading rich ryans news article was about the poker journalistic equivalent of watching foxnews or msnbc...

a clearly biased ranting opinion with token balance and a sprinkle of selected facts.

So, if you dont like the dark site of the game, now u have the opportunity to make a little part of it happier, and donate max. 1 Mio $ at my skrill-Account,
so that I am able to found a company.
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but I hope, u dont misunderstand this, I respect your point of view,
but it would be more interesting if u did say your written words into a camera
congrats fo the 1st place.
ps. was it hard ? how is it to play with chips with a worth of 1mio $ ?

haha

Accually it's not exactly exactly. Accually it's "to be exact"

I will be waiting to hear an intelligent response to this. I should have posted this earlier. Any of the haters out there, I'm giving you an advantage because I'm on literally no sleep, it is 6:50am here and I have not slept.

^ your posts are terrible. go to bed. try again 2moro

Everything he has posted has been awful...

I think the guy is smart to use this platform that he may never have again to worn people about the downside of the game. Most winners would only be looking at the sponsorship and free buy ins to tournaments side.

It also shows that some players like coleman still have a connection with the real world and no just the poker world. I here people in here say and do the most absurd things in the poker community. Making 7fig prop bets without lawyers, contracts, and legal escrows. Making sports bets on credit without lawyers, contracts, or legal escrows. Loaning 6 and 7 figures without lawyers, contracts, or legal escrows. And then they wonder how they got scammed/freerolled.

In the poker community we have the good: broke players becoming millionaires, fictionally ******ed guys finding success in poker when they could get a job as a walmart greater etc.

But we have also seen the bad, Fulltilt scamming millions, Chino Reem scamming millions, Lindgren scamming millions, Negreanu defending his friend Lindgred's scamming millions, durrrr challenge scam for millions, Lock Poker scam, players who openly sell pieces of their action and know if they bink they will not pay back.

He saw all the bad the poker community and decided he didnt want to be apart of it or at least have his good name attached to it.

Do people think that poker gained more popularity or was in a better place when Antonio won the One Drop two years ago? IMO, nothing changed. Casual fans like watching people put up $1M to play a tourney but it doesn't have any affect on them. If am amateur won the One Drop that also wouldn't change poker. People aren't going to start playing the game or taking it seriously as an amateur because they watch One Drop. Everything is being overblown and it's pretty pathetic.

Fallacy. Maybe you are unable to validly debate against my point, so you result to attacking the person, ad hominem.

I will. Fallacy. So you don't have a response to argue how poker has no value to society then? Easy win. Off to get some rest it is.

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...-for-one-drop/

FWIW there is some discussion about your comments on WOV. I know I would love to hear more detail about the darker sides of AP gambling if you are interested to share.

You dont understand what "no value on society means". Poker players do not provide any service to society at all. You cannot argue that.

I'm not saying everyone has to provide something. That's just how it is, poker players dont provide or produce anything. There are people who feel like, apart from money, that poker isn't giving them anything. That's probably because poker is taking money from people who are worse than you, so for you to live a comfortable life someone (or a group of people) need to lose money. To enjoy life on other peoples expense probably doesnt feel too fulfilling.

I'm not blaming anyone who makes a comfortable living playing poker. Good for them. But for their own sake I hope they find something meaningful in life to do besides poker (unless if poker gives you self worth and makes your life fulfilling and meaningful. But I believe this is not the case too often.) Poker is survival of the fittest kinda thing. But a lot of areas in life these days are.

understanding what poker ultimately is and still playing it doesnt make anyone a bad person or a hypocrite. I respect Colman's view and I completely understand him not wanting to promote poker. By doing so he would be part of the marketing machinery which tries to bring more people to poker. Him not wanting to do this is understandable even if he plays poker, I see no contradiction in this.

If he can win money from people who already play, but doesnt want to promote poker to some college kids who would likely lose their hard earned money flipping burgers is completely understandable.

1:15 through 1:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6CTejBh5QU

Do you think using the media to get the same message across to the masses would have been too much ? I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts on the matter, but I also find your actions quite interesting here. I haven't followed the situation too closely but from what I can tell you denied much or any of media coverage but decided to make a post like that on 2p2 (which, lets face it, if you're intelligent enough to make a post like that you are probably smart enough to understand that the contingent you wrote it to is going to neglect it anyway)

congratulations on winning and i hope you will perhaps use your situation to maybe open a few more minds than a mostly close-minded group of poker players, each trying to make a buck for themselves, i think you're in a pretty unique situation to help some people out indirectly as long as they understand the seemingly contradicting position that you would be preaching from

who quotes their own quote only 15 minutes after posting? better yet, who quotes themselves?