You’re portraying it as if no one cared how you hang the roll before but it’s actually that since front hangers are the majority they’ve dictated public bathroom roll hanging for a long time and some front hangers are really weirdly invested in how others hang their rolls and do not want to accommodate rear hangers to the point of violence and discrimination. People who don’t otherwise care about how you hang your roll notice that and think you should be able to hang your roll as you like free of abuse. This is only a thing because front hanging zealots have made it one.

Are the front hangers the trans in your scenario? The last case of violence was a trans shooting up a school in Nashville. Where are you seeing violence towards trans?

I crossed out the LGB for a reason. Being basic gay or lesbian isn't enough to qualify you as someone from the woke mob. You can see this in the rhetoric where gays and lesbians are being called out as traitors or not pulling their weight or whatever.

And Trolly thinks it was a joke, but every single one of those designations and them some is used in official literature from that camp of people. If I wanted to joke about it, I'd have made it longer, not shorter than what they use. Queer, transexual, questioning, two-spirit, asexual, intersex, alternative, etc, etc.

It's gone far beyond gay marriage at this point, and that's why you have so much pushback.

"LGBT" has been standard for like 30+ years, it's hilarious that you guys are perma-butthurt over the simplest ****.

That's where today's Republican Party is at: they've utterly given up on any kind of real-world policy, it's just 100% cruelty toward minority groups. Some deranged bigot has a shrieking fit in a Target and they have to defend this behavior because that's what the party is now.

Have trans people dictated public bathroom behavior since forever? You don’t think that people have experienced violence for being transgender?

I can't think of any examples off the top of my head that would come close to a trans shooting up a school. If you want to post examples, I would be interested.

I don't really understand the whole bathroom thing. If you are good at being trans, nobody would even notice, right?

I went to a restaurant recently that handled this problem in an easy way. It had multiple stalls with full doors and walls from floor to ceiling. Basically, everyone gets a private bathroom and washes hands together on a long counter with multiple sinks.

To be fair, the T was added in the late 90s but didn't really get solidified until the late 00s. Moreover, that initial T was for transexual people, no? I'm old enough to have been paying a little attention then, and I'm pretty certain it wasn't a transgender thing. "Chicks with dicks" was a phrase you'd hear thrown around.

So you can rant all you want about butthurt Republicans, and I'll rant right along with you about how much public policy time this is taking up, but don't sit here and pretend like the goalposts haven't been moved significantly in recent years.

AFAIK that is the first instance of a trans person doing a mass shooting. That could be compared with every other mass shooting in the history of the country, which were done by cis people. While the trans are a very small minority, I would still figure that they are underrepresented in the population of mass shooters, so that a trans person is less likely to commit a mass shooting than a cis person. Also, while I don't know of any mass shootings of trans people, possibly because there aren't many mass gatherings of trans people, there have definitely been mass shootings targeting LGBT people in general. Just a few years ago was the high-profile attack on a gay bar in Orlando which killed about 50 people and injured about 50 more. I imagine at least some of those people were trans.

I think the bathroom issue is mainly at schools, where young people have recently come out as trans / starting dressing as the opposite sex, so most people at the school already have known them as their sex at birth. People aren't going to stop recognizing you just because you start dressing differently one day, and even hormonal treatments that change appearance are not close to immediate.

I do think the kind of restrooms you mention are nice and probably will eventually be the standard. Really the only negative about them is that they lose the efficiency and saved space of having urinals so could lead to longer lines.

Transgender is just the newer name for what used to be called Transexual AFAIK; I have never heard of different definitions for the two.

I always thought transexual was for people who went under the knife, or were born with both and made a choice for puberty. Maybe it's a distinction without meaning nowadays, but for the sake of the argument, it would've mattered then.

The late 00's was well over a decade ago, bruv, how much longer are you gonna need to get up to speed?

I'm pretty sure many people who had not gotten surgery called themselves transexual in the past, and certainly many who have had surgery call themselves transgender now.

Maybe I missed your point about why the different would matter anyway though.

I only say it would've mattered because Trolly is over there acting like this is an issue settled decades ago that is only now becoming controversial.

There is absolutely nothing about 2023 that would've just been accepted as normal back in 1993.

When I was young (60's and 70's) the T stood for Transvestite (men who wore women's clothing). There was some question as to whether they wanted to be women or just wanted to dress like women.

I think at the time it would have gotten people in a lot of trouble if they said they wanted to change sex. In NYC gay men were being beaten up on weekends in downtown neighborhoods like Greenwich Village and SOHO.

Don’t think I’ve heard “transexual” used in the wild since the 80’s. For real, how out of touch are some of you?

everything opposite of this is probably a good start.

I don't think the acronym LGBT was around in the 60's or 70's so I don't know what you mean about the "T" standing for anything. I'm pretty sure when I was at university in the late 80's and first saw an acronym for a student group, it was just LGB, no T.

Wikipedia say LGB started to be used in the mid to late 80's and LGBT has been in use since the 90's.

I can't believe this. I'm pretty sure I never heard the word transgender until the 2000's, and I lived in a big very liberal city in the 90's.

He's trolling you. His name is literally Trolly McTrollerson...

Yeah I know his main purpose is trolling, but he sounded like he was asserting that literally.

Lucky we have the internet to debunk such silly claims

Is this a joke? If not, what numbers is it supposed to represent?

I thought this one was funny

It's the use of the word "transgender" over time. Basically non-existent before 1990 and only really came into common usage around 15 years ago.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/grap...nt=transgender

Ok, it's not very clear when there is no labeling on the Y axis, and I don't see the significance of the capitalization. The timetable seems about right to me though.