Shocked actually by the younger people skew here

What’s wrong with biological

Nothing.

Yes to all the above. Imagine if Dennis Rodman decides to come out of retirement and compete in women sports. Or Mike tyson... they would just completely crush the sport. Even at 50-60 years olds.
If shaq was broke now, you would advise him to play in the wnba and so on. Michael Jordan in the wnba? Lol

They would completely take the sport apart. Anyone over 6.5 and born a male has a major advantage. If you know only a little about basketball you will agree. Shaq was dominating because of his sheer size. He only had to stand under the basket and wait for the ball to come to him. And he could just bully with his body size and finally force his way to the basket . It looked like stealing candy from kid. No woman can do this. The libs suck at this poll.

I tell you what, if there is money involved, forget it. That should be the rule. If for no money compete all you want. Anything else makes it prone to abuse and unfair to the others.

Yes, 50-year-old men pretending to be trans to play in the WNBA is a real thing that actually happens in real life and we should be worried about it.

Yes, I have seen one basketballer in the wnba, low voice like a male, moves like a guy. Anyone not good enough for the nba can now just throw on a tutu and scream lgtb on twitter and then make millions in the wnba. That's reality and they are straight up offering incentives for changing now to now poorly performing athletes in their category. Why would you work your butt off for peanuts if you could make millions in the weaker category?

I would even be worried for the idiots changing only for the money. Idiots from poor nations will abuse this.
Greed makes stupid, as desperation also can make stupid. We all know this. We also know that doping with male hormones provides an advantage. We have seen that in russian and DDR athletes. The women looked male after years of hormone therapy. And now we just take male born and let them compete in women's sports for money. It can t get any more stupid.

So, no, you haven’t actually seen this happening.

You're right about that. I can't watch the nba or Howard stern anymore since I'm in Europe now. It sucks. But I found away around it by watching howard on youtube now. Please tell me where nba games are broadcasted for free. I have only seen this documentary about a wnba player who looks more male than female.

Right. Imagine if the WNBA allowed transgender players! It would look…..exactly how it looks now because they do allow transgender players.

You don't have to imagine men transitioning dishonestly for financial benefit even though that can and will certainly happen. The focus need simply be on the FACT that we are seeing both an increasing number of transwomen entering sport and, more importantly, increasingly they are or were better and more relevant as male athletes before transitioning.

It is one thing to see a powerlifter with a badly broken body, retired and 20 years past her competing prime come in and instantly break womens records and bump a top women from her Olympic spot and quite another to see a person transition in their competitive prime years as a very relevant and competitive athlete in the men's division prior.

That person is going to have probably decades of athletic dominance in the womens division as demonstrated by the powerlifter still being top tier after transitioning in her 40's with a badly broken body.

Imagine transitioning at 17 and being instantly dominant and still dominating at age 40, not in a seniors division but against the most elite cis women on the planet with only injuries knocking you out of contention, if they happen. Stay healthy and fit and you could see that transwoman dominate easily in to her 60's in certain sports. The top men in seniors circuit currently, especially in racket sports like tennis and squash would crush the prime Olympic level women.

Heck back in the 70's Billy Riggs at age 55, a retired former top mens player easily beat the then top ranked women in a challenge match Margaret Court in what was called "Mother's Day Massacre." he then went on to lose a closer match to other top rising star, Billie Jean King in the Battle of the Sexes Match'.

The seniors Tennis and squash (most sports) scene today is much more active then decades prior and as such the athletes retain their sharpness for decades longer than they used to when retiring from sport meant you generally went to a day job as the prize money was no where near what it is today outside of a few really top performers back then.

Do they only have to be 'pretending' before we see this as a concern?

It is a mistake to focus on any grifter type who will take advantage and transition solely for monetary reasons as you could never prove it short of an admission. We know in all walks of society that a percent of society will grift and take advantage so it is inevitable but still that is not where the focus should be.

Poor or more likely authoritarian nations taking advantage of this is something history tells us we should be concerned by. We have a real world example of East Germany Nationalizing a program to steroid women up to the point they were suffering serious health implications and being transformed into the most masculine versions of themselves before our very eyes while denying it and dominating sports.

Would an authoritarian State in the future not only support it but require male athletes who are lost in the bubble of making the mens team be required to transition for the 'good of the country' or to bring 'glory to Dear leader', if that authoritarian leader saw any value of dominating Americans and others in sport? Certainly history tells us that is not off the table.

I still see zero former NBA players joining the WNBA.

It implies (purposefully, I assume) that transgender women are not biologically women. But what does that mean?

Plus, cis is the opposite of trans (even when not talking about gender), so it keeps the formatting the same. This is now the standard language.

2,700 posts and this basic **** still has to be re-explained!

Leaves forum settings on 10 posts per page: moran or masochist?

I read the article. Some parts are pretty

The article says she is getting interest from d1 coaches. There is no way any 52 year old guy is going to be getting d1 interest unless it is an ex nba all star doing it for the lols, which has never happened.

Well if she were to spend one second with a men's college team I think she would change her mind who the toughest competitors she has faced were. No amount of working hard is going to take her at 52 to men's college basketball.


If people are being honest with themselves I think they would see that this is obviously unfair. What I think is going on is based on this:

A lot of people bully trans women so they view supporting trans women in sports as anti bullying. If someone is spewing vitrol it is pretty easy to jump to the opposite side.

I've been around both men and women athletes, and women (as a group) are at least as focused and competitive as men.

Is everything okay?

Fans of mission college women's basketball would have never had the opportunity to see such a dominant female player in the paint if this woman had not been allowed to play. I don't see how this could be considered a negative.

The fantasies you people come up with are quite the trip.

My goodness!

I think that if the Authoritarian State that Cuepee is speculating about came to pass, the last thing anyone would be worrying about is who is on the Olympic team.

It is stories like Gabrielle Ludwig that lead for too many on the left into this destructive spiral of the 'road to hell...'.

It is very easy to both feel sorry for and empathise with Gabrielle's past life troubles and challenges. A person who almost certainly dealt with identity challenges and struggled to fit in.

So now she has transitioned and feels more herself (great) but then she finds she can join a women's sport team and her unique attributes give her an advantage where she does not only get to be a 'winner' but she feels valued by some colleagues and her institution that she helps win.

The left they says from misguided empathy ... 'turn a blind eye to the unfairness of it all because it makes her feel better and find some purpose'. Some, as we have seen in this thread are more than happy to see women's sport destroyed and ended if it will not sacrifice itself to serve this purpose. Again the 'the road to hell...'

Some think really the idea of women and sport is laughable to begin with and that no one really cares about it or watches it and that is their most common defense of letting it be destroyed. A laughing 'haha as if you watch it' type refrain, which is them not realizing they are basically saying womens sport has no value and no one watches it so why fight for it?


It will take larger society to say NO and rightly reject this to ensure that indeed decades of women fighting for a place where they can compete in an area where their biology is not a limiting factor (the initial reason for creating a woman's division) is not just circumvented in another way and they are taken back to a time when they had no place.

It is entirely fair to say to a transwomen you have every right to transition, we fully support that but because we cannot undue the facts of your prior life and that you gained physical benefits that would make it unfair for you to compete against women who did not and to expect them to understand that.

It is only a radical and misguided section of the populace on the left who read that and scream and label that as transphobia when it is no such thing. The idea that trans acceptance requires denial of biological science is the most absurd aspect of this and yet that has become the requirement from many.

uke and Trolly have to pretend actual history not only did not exist but it is laughable to reference it.

They really have nothing. And as such they resort to what they think is quippy ridicule that any State would ever see a mechanism to cheat and use it. 'ZOMG who would ever think a nation would do that... lolololol'.

I am more than ok with that as to me it says they have given up. They know they are wrong. And they have nothing if they cannot first deny genuine history and get people on side that.