Maybe not. This one?
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1694

All I see is a piece of garbage that clearly was a threat from beginning to end. He said "you better use it or I am going to take it from you and kill you with it", tries to take it from the guy, and is rightfully killed. Is anybody supposed to feel sorry for the guy?

They're all always pieces of garbage, but personally if I went into the house, I'd just call the cops and have them handle it rather than blast my stepson's father away. If you think there isn't a jury in the US that wouldn't convict him, then you're living on a different planet.

Nah, I don't think so.

California, brah?

Nah

Personally, after the do-si-do, I'd prefer him to advance closer before blasting is appropriate, but that part isn't in video and he could very well have had his Usain Bolt stance going. At the end of the day, or beginning I suppose, this guy is just your typical blowhard that is harmless.

Dude she was trying to break into a chamber of Congress--for some comparison imagine it was the front door to the White House. You should expect a bad time every time doing silly **** like that.

Oh, that's where you're going now. I didn't really care why you were asking, I just thought it was a bit odd, and it remains so - whether I've been to Wyoming or not is rather unrelated. The only thing I can figure is that you were hoping I would say no, so then comes the gotcha of how I don't understand things are way different in a rural state like Wyoming.

This is no big revelation. Yes, different states have very different ideologies. Are there some extreme cases where it might be similar to the way countries differ? Um, sure, I guess. But we're getting pretty far afield from where we started. You were presented with a number of studies that tied suicide rates to the prevalence of guns - I believe some of them looked at people within the same state or even city. Your response was "So you're saying in the countries with higher suicide rates than the USA per 100K people, that their rates would be higher if they had access to firearms?", and I replied with "Why the need to compare countries, a comparison which will be complicated by many different factors, when several of Cuepee's links showed differences within the US?", and then you were off with have I been to Wyoming, and Texas is like a different country. If you want to take issue with some of the studies for specific reasons, please do so and share your reasoning. If you don't want to spend the time explaining what your issues with them are, that's certainly your prerogative as well, but then we don't really need the tap dance off into *different states are different* land.

Well said. That was my point.

Unless there is a female secret service agent guarding the door, then you might be able to run around for a while

Agreed. I just feel I would expect the same outcome if I charge a person slinging an AR15 while saying "Fvck you" or trying to break into a home while people are sleeping.

Nah, you figured wrong. I just figured you've never been to Wyoming if you think every state is similar.


The part in bold I'm not seeing how it's comparing the US with other countries. The US has never had a populace devoid of guns. If the assertion is that more guns create more suicides, then surely it would stand to reason that this would be true anywhere in the world, no?

Fair enough. It would seem the wrong figuring applies to us both, as I don't believe and have never suggested anything of the sort. Just like I also don't believe the population of any one state is homogenous - but obviously there are dominating beliefs and ideologies in different states and/or regions.

Possibly, yes. I would expect that similar studies in other countries could produce similar results, but I wouldn't want to make a blanket statement, given that many other factors could come into play.

LOL

Most military casualties come aren't from small arms fire.

Also, you probably don't know this but units equipped with M16s take casualties as well as inflict them.

Ashli Babbitt wasn't killed in self defense. She was killed by a deputized leo while breaching a perimeter in an area where the people she was trying to harm were present. Sucks to be her.

Duty to retreat in NJ.

Texas, duty to kill your neighbor whenever possible.

Non psychos can see how, if no gun is brought to this volatile domestic argument, that no one needs to die.

Non psychos can understand people can have emotional breaks from reality especially when it comes to issues of kids and custody and fulfillment.

If you have no empathy for the guy in the moment who has lost it fine, but my broader point with that video was to show how the gun just made it worse and not better.

BTW I am not so convinced this guy does not get charged with murder for that execution despite everything you said being true as you left out one clear point which is the guy who was killed had disengaged and space was developing between the two and he was not reengaging at the time of the shooting. This shooting looks more like a '**** you for grabbing my gun' then a, 'I felt my life was in immediate danger'.

But Texas gonna Texas and if they do charge him I would expect him to get off.

What I find very odd is that Congress does not have one or more 'Safe Rooms' available for retreating members.

I am not talking about the level of safe room the White House is reputed to have access to but just merely some fortified rooms where you are not going to get thru the doors or walls if you do not bring speciality tools to do so or have a long, long amount of time.

I am sure there are a few strategic large like Board Rooms that could have the doors and dry wall changed out to something fortified so that members can lock down while awaiting help.

Seems like a pretty significant oversight.

Gaige doesn't even know what planet he's on

I'd be willing to bet they have safe rooms now. Having visited the Capitol and the White House oval office pre-9/11 they were not joking about security back then, let alone now. When visiting Senators and Congressmen security was looking at people like they wanted them to start some crap just so they could have relief from the mind numbing boring job they work, a bored cop or security officer is a most dangerous person.

The people that made it into the buildings on 1/6 IMO had to have some type of 'help' from an inside party to make security more lax.

That's an amazing story. Holy this shooter must have a micro penis. Cannot get a guy off his lawn who seems justifiably pissed about infidelity of some sort. Texas must have the highest ratio of spineless losers lol

He's still a one outer to do some amount time and why even take that risk.

This was literally the best case scenario for the guy with the gun. He literally said that he was going to take his gun and kill him like it was a ****ing movie.

He could of just called the police and let them deal with it or just wait for the guy to enter the house. This is all completely removing the aspect of any empathy one might have of actually killing someone and living with that.

The guy with the gun certainly was lucky that the big guy escalated his aggression and did what he did. I guess I can't disagree that the guy with the gun was especially stupid, given all the stuff that could have gone wrong for him here, legally and safety-wise.

Fair enough.

They sure caused a lot back when AR15's were used in the military. Lol at "Well, Hiroshima and Nakasaki proves that an AR15 isn't an effective weapon against crowds." Lmao.

Until rioters start showing up with AR15's, or even just pistols, my money is on the AR15.

And while living with the kid that you made fatherless.

"Mommy, when is daddy coming over to take me to the park?"

"Sorry, sweetie, but your stepdad smoked him on the porch. Maybe he can take you to the park later."

At least we might be able to see one of those pink glocks in action while we're dancing around