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Prison reform, bail, incarceration (formerly "Kyle Rittenhouse trial" thread) Prison reform, bail, incarceration (formerly "Kyle Rittenhouse trial" thread)

11-22-2021 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Oh, my pony was slow. I didn't know they identified him.

A quick CCAP search confirms that this is just another shitbag from Milwaukee.


Edit: So you know all those gun laws we have? Sure would be a shame if we actually enforced any of them so felons like Brooks, when caught with a gun in the act of whatever landed him with multiple "recklessly endangering safety" charges would actually see consequences for their actions. Nope. Can't have that. Too many nonwhites in prison already.
Your snark at the end shows how inevitability you almost always miss the point.

Too many nonwhites for non violent crimes and for durations that make no sense compared to whites can certainly be an issue that needs to be addressed and does not mean that violent offenders cannot be consistently prosecuted.

What you may find is that the system does a better job with the latter if not focused disproportionately on the former.
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11-22-2021 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
This crime, with victims (including children) who were actually innocent, will not generate 1/100 the outrage which was applied to Kyle Rittenhouse.



Well, yeah, of ****ing course not. There aren't two sides to the story with this car murderer guy. Everybody knows he'll be tried and convicted. Where's the controversy? Let's see if you'll accept this simple explanation or continue with the woe-is-me white guy right-wing self-victimization.
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11-22-2021 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ReliableSource
When did we become so pussified that we’re showing up to protests with rifles?

Also the second we get touched were mowing people down with AR’s?

R Wingers always make this claim about society. Yeah well whoever smelt it, dealt it!
Kyle rittenhouse did nothing wrong! Deal with it
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11-22-2021 , 02:04 PM
If only American society treated white suspects as gently as black suspects, we'd be set! Everybody knows how much privilege those lucky black guys get granted in our justice system!

/harvin
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11-22-2021 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Right. You think there are behind the scenes people that tell Biden what he has to say. It’s not Biden changing his mind or realizing he made a mistake. It’s a very common conspiracy theory and you guys aren’t coming up with this phrasing on your own. It’s all over right wing media.
Yes I think they do. Actually I watched Meet The Press on Sunday and they were pretty much saying it as well
Heck MSNBC was still saying he killed BLM protesters
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11-22-2021 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Right. You think there are behind the scenes people that tell Biden what he has to say.
Large businesses hire people specifically for this.
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11-22-2021 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
Well, yeah, of ****ing course not. There aren't two sides to the story with this car murderer guy. Everybody knows he'll be tried and convicted. Where's the controversy? Let's see if you'll accept this simple explanation or continue with the woe-is-me white guy right-wing self-victimization.
There aren’t two sides to either story. People
Just want there to be. Both are very easy cases.
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11-22-2021 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 14cobster
It would seem dumb and even comical in that it would fundamentally contradict KR's mindset, attitude, and behavior up to that point. But odds are that nothing serious would have happened. I'm not requiring him to do that or saying what rights he has, just that it's delusional to think that not firing the gun doesn't lead to a much better outcome the overwhelming majority of the time in this context.
That's why bringing a gun to this situation is so dumb. His life or anyone else's life or even his property was not in danger beforehand. The decision of who lives and who dies simply just comes down to someone's opinion of the threat of the dude holding the gun. But we are going to disagree on the threat to RH once he put himself in that spot.
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11-22-2021 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
That's why bringing a gun to this situation is so dumb. His life or anyone else's life or even his property was not in danger beforehand. The decision of who lives and who dies simply just comes down to someone's opinion of the threat of the dude holding the gun.
It may be "dumb" in your opinion, but it's his God given right as a red blooded American. Deal with it!
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11-22-2021 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
It may be "dumb" in your opinion, but it's his God given right as a red blooded American. Deal with it!
Just because you have the right to do something dumb doesn't mean you should use it.
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11-22-2021 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
Large businesses hire people specifically for this.
That the president can say what he wants and nobody can force him to say anything shouldn’t be controversial.
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11-22-2021 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
Yeah! And he'll poo his pants wherever he damn well pleases! C'mon man!
Rumors were the former guy needed adult diapers. But could have just been obesity related pants bunching.
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11-22-2021 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
It's probably unrelated.

What is nearly certain, is that this guy is yet another Milwaukee resident who should've been in prison and unable to do this in the first place.

The only way someone from Waukesha does this is in a drunken stupor. Which given the nature of Waukesha, is certainly possible. But 4:30 on a Sunday is a tad early for that level of drinking even for the City of Waukesha.

It seems like every time one of the suburbs has a story like this, it's some asshat from Milwaukee just spreading their own misery to the unsuspecting citizens who thought they were maintaining a safe distance.
Murder charges came down, we are getting close to halftime in the democrat cope charade.
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11-22-2021 , 04:14 PM
If the Waukesha guy was exonerated because he felt his safety was threatened by the parade-goers and had no choice but to mow them down in self-defense, the bothsides derps might have a point.

But, as usual, they don't.
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11-22-2021 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
If the Waukesha guy was exonerated because he felt his safety was threatened by the parade-goers and had no choice but to mow them down in self-defense, the bothsides derps might have a point.

But, as usual, they don't.
This will be added to the cope spectrum
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11-22-2021 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
Let's see if you'll accept this simple explanation or continue with the woe-is-me white guy right-wing self-victimization.
Im mixed-race and haven’t voted for a Republican in over three decades.

But I’ll call it the way I see it when a thug out on $1,000 bail and who had already run over a person with a vehicle is allowed back into society to do more damage.

Better luck next time.
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11-22-2021 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
No. No one in that position is required to do that.

That is a silly requirement especially if you believe this is the type of wrong that the system needs to look at and put in some better guard rails.
I never said it should be a requirement. I said he shouldn't be claiming fraud by the jury on a case he has provided no evidence that fraud occurred.

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Originally Posted by Cuepee
That is just flat out wrong. Stacy Abrams, for instance is working to change the system that allowed Brian Kemp to do legally what he did. She has the right to fight for changes and to make her case.
See, that's where you're misunderstanding me.

If there was a legal loophole, then it's legal and there is no fraud. If you want to discuss the legal loophole and how to close it, then that's obviously totally fine.

You know, like Trump claiming fraud in the 2020 election with zero evidence that fraud occurred. He shouldn't have done that either.

A president saying he's angry about the outcome of the trial and suggesting the jury intentionally let a murderer go without providing evidence is not wise nor productive.

If he had said, "They voted not-guilty because of <insert legal loophole> and I'm going to work to change those laws" then it's totally fine to comment in that way.


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Originally Posted by Cuepee
We are going to likely see a lot of Politicians lose in the midterms due to blatant Gerrymandering. They all should accept the result because blatant gerrymandering is current legal. That does not mean they need to shut up about and not complain and say they think it is wrong and the system needs to change.
Key word: legal. Talking about fixing a legal issue so it's more fair is fine. That is not what Biden did. He implied they should have voted guilty even though he hasn't seen any of the evidence and gave no reasons why he suspects fraud - just pandering.


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Originally Posted by Cuepee
How you see it just nonsense. Individuals actually have responsibility to speak out if they think they see injustices within any power system. Again that does not mean accepting the result. A person of good conscious may take it on themselves to seek reform.
Speaking out on injustices built into the system, fine; speaking about injustice based on feels, not fine.

Sounds like you're saying the legal injustice built into the system is that jurors can intentionally let a guilty person go due to any reason they want, court evidence be damned. That's true and that's not good, but if you think this is what happened here, then you're claiming straight-up fraud by the jury and not citing legal loopholes.


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Originally Posted by Cuepee
You are now saying the Coach should shut up and not ask for review unless when it turns out he was wrong but it is ok (I assume) when is correct? Life does not work that way. You are being silly. What that coach does get to do, is complain and get the review and then accept whatever ruling comes after. If he then thinks a rule is wrong and needs to be changed he has every right to make his case on that.
That's not what I said nor do I disagree about talking about rules or laws and changing them to be more fair.

Again, that's not what Biden did.
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11-22-2021 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
You don’t seem to be following at all. I already mentioned Obama’s comments on Martin or the police in the Gates’ case, which went further than anything the Biden administration has said. You similarly did not understand the point of Till being brought up. In the 50s nobody expected Eisenhower to weigh in on a high profile state level case. It’s not the 50s anymore. We all expect national politicians to weigh in on these issues now. If they do t they’ll be asked hundreds of times. I don’t think things were better when the bully pulpit was not even used to say lynching was disgusting.
I'm following just fine.

You're claiming that the jury disregarded the evidence and let a guilty person go free, and you think it's fine, even commendable, that a president claims the same thing.

Without specific evidence that this occurred, then you're looking for politics to influence jurors and not evidence brought forth in the trial.
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11-22-2021 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Rumors were the former guy needed adult diapers. But could have just been obesity related pants bunching.
It was Adobe, actually. There is the original video you can watch, and his pants are fine. Lots of things to hammer Trump on; you don't need edited media for that.
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11-22-2021 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
I never said it should be a requirement. I said he shouldn't be claiming fraud by the jury on a case he has provided no evidence that fraud occurred.

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Lets just back up as maybe I missed some more of Biden's comments and thus we talking past one another.

These are the quotes I am aware of...

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President Joe Biden said Friday he stands by the not-guilty verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, saying the jury system of trial in the United States works and must be respected.

"Look, I stand by what the jury has concluded," he said. "The jury system works, and we have to abide by it."
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"I just heard a moment ago," Biden said, when asked about Rittenhouse being found not guilty on all counts. "I didn't watch the trial."
In a statement later Friday afternoon, Biden acknowledged that the verdict in the trial "will leave many Americans feeling angry and concerned, myself included." He said that everyone "must acknowledge that the jury has spoken."
cite
are these his post verdict comments you are referring to or is there something else?

I would ask you to quote the "fraud" comment if that is the case but clearly there is not one.

Again he is allowed to be disappointed and not agree but he clearly accepts the jury verdict and tells everyone they should.


Anyway over to you.

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11-22-2021 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Lest just back up as maybe I missed some more of Biden's comments and thus we talking past one another.

These are the quotes I am aware of...



are these his post verdict comments you are referring to or is there something else?

I would ask you to quote the "fraud" comment if that is the case but clearly there is not one.

Again he is allowed to be disappointed and not agree but he clearly accepts the jury verdict and tells everyone they should.


Anyway over to you.
You legit just posted quotes by Biden saying he didn't watch the trial and that he's angry over the verdict. If he didn't watch any of the trial (i.e., evidence presented to jurors by both sides), then how can he have any strong feelings about the verdict, regardless of which way they decided? That's like Trump-level reckless.
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11-22-2021 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
You legit just posted quotes by Biden saying he didn't watch the trial and that he's angry over the verdict. If he didn't watch any of the trial (i.e., evidence presented to jurors by both sides), then how can he have any strong feelings about the verdict, regardless of which way they decided? That's like Trump-level reckless.
I am really not able to follow you.

Are you saying being angry at an outcome equals calling it a fraud and not accepting it?

So I got the quotes right and you think Biden, who would be briefed on this has no right to his own opinion since he did not watch it?

Again that is not how life works. Biden can hold a view that there is something wrong in a system that allows this, even if it is legal and the decision by the jury must be abided. But he can be angry as a result about what he thinks this says about American society. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT to have his own emotions and you don't get to tell him what he must feel.
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11-22-2021 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
It was Adobe, actually. There is the original video you can watch, and his pants are fine. Lots of things to hammer Trump on; you don't need edited media for that.
Nah there were unedited pictures also. He’s obese and his pants can bunch up in unflattering areas. Obviously doesn’t confirm diapers but Twitter trolls ran with it.
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11-22-2021 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
I'm following just fine.

You're claiming that the jury disregarded the evidence and let a guilty person go free, and you think it's fine, even commendable, that a president claims the same thing.

Without specific evidence that this occurred, then you're looking for politics to influence jurors and not evidence brought forth in the trial.
Nope, still not getting it. I don’t know if the letter of the law was followed or not. A miscarriage of Justice occurred because Rittenhouse’s reckless behavior resulted in deaths and should be illegal. In most sane countries it obviously would be.
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11-22-2021 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I am really not able to follow you.

Are you saying being angry at an outcome equals calling it a fraud and not accepting it?

So I got the quotes right and you think Biden, who would be briefed on this has no right to his own opinion since he did not watch it?

Again that is not how life works. Biden can hold a view that there is something wrong in a system that allows this, even if it is legal and the decision by the jury must be abided. But he can be angry as a result about what he thinks this says about American society. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT to have his own emotions and you don't get to tell him what he must feel.
I didn't say he doesn't have the right to be an idiot. Trump had that right, too, and sure as shiit exercised it non-stop.

Can we just address the elephant in the room? He's angry because he thinks a white guy got white privilege in a murder case where two people "supporting" black lives got killed.

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Nah there were unedited pictures also. He’s obese and his pants can bunch up in unflattering areas. Obviously doesn’t confirm diapers but Twitter trolls ran with it.
Yeah, I saw those, too. They're from a speech he gave at CPAC. His pants are normal in the video from where the pictures were captured. You got duped by chopped photos.

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Nope, still not getting it. I don’t know if the letter of the law was followed or not. A miscarriage of Justice occurred because Rittenhouse’s reckless behavior resulted in deaths and should be illegal. In most sane countries it obviously would be.
It's not a miscarriage of justice just because you think it should be illegal; it's a miscarriage of justice if it's illegal and the jury votes based on feels and not facts.
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