I was bored and opened QP's posts.

You're ignoring the undisputed evidence. After Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum, he walked or jogged right past Grosskreutz, shooting nobody, and said something about going to the police. This is wholly contradictory to Grosskreutz's active-shooter theory.

Grosskreutz lied multiple times to the police, filed a complaint that omitted material facts, and did not disclose videos on his phone. If those had been helpful to him, you can bet your ass he would have publicized them. Criminal lawyers: did Rittenhouse have subpoena power over Grosskreutz, or was he protected from discovery/disclosure by a victim's rights statute or other reason?

I have come around to the conclusion that Grosskreutz is a liar because that is where the weight of the evidence is.

I am not particularly sympathetic to Rittenhouse. He never should have been there in the first place.

All of this shitshow is at the pedo's feet. If he had left Rittenhouse alone, everyone involved gets home for breakfast.

Seems like if Kyle had stayed home things would have been less shooty as well.

Bro, stop telling us prior to replying me each time that you don't read my posts each and every time.

Everything you say is something a jury would have to weigh.

This was not a calm scene unfolding over the course of hours and Rittenhouse now in a completely different position, that if an active shooter prior, he was no longer that threat.

This in unfolding in about as tense a situation as most individuals will face in their lives.

You are ignoring (purposely I think) that Gaige made it clear, he was not clear about what Rittenhouse was saying. You act like Gaige should be able to make a crystal clear instantaneous decision that a person he suspects is an active shooter is not simply because the person says 'I am going to the police'.

If you come across a murder or rape and the person doing so says 'don't worry about trying to stop or apprehend me for a citizens arrest... I am going to the police', you then think that is the weighty evidence the witness or person trying to do a citizens arrest or stop the crime should believe or they have no self defense claim.

Like I said, you see the 'socialist left guys and their health care' as unsympathetic in your world view and thus want to give them ZERO credit in any way, and that is fine. But own it and stop pretending you are just offering objective analysis.

IT is very easy to see that it is entirely plausible, whether you believe it or not, that Gaige was acting in good faith and had he shot Rittenhouse first would have a good self defense claim.

Could you not say that amount the other two men with concealed weapons?

Not saying your saying this but how is an AR 15 more threatening than handguns. At least I can see the nut carrying the AR 15 and cross to the other side of the street if i was out for a peaceful protest

Lots of bad decisions made by many

Gee bro, I dunno.

Neither Rittenhouse nor Grosskreutz, who were armed the entire time they were there, shot anyone or seemed to be at risk of doing so on their own. Rosenbaum was an aggro psycho, getting in people's faces, verbally threatening people, and yelling at people "shoot me, (n-word)." Seems clear that without his provocation, this never happens. I think the point stands.

Obviously agree with "lots of bad decisions made by many."

Have you watched Gaige's entire testimony? Dude is all over the place. He said he was not chasing Kyle but was running to tell the skateboard guy to stop hitting him. Then they proved he said no such thing. If you watch the video, he had no clean shot to shoot Kyle because others trying to beat on him were in his line of fire. He also said his gun dropped out of his pants, and that was proven to be a lie. He also lied about him pausing to rack the rifle.

I think it's more like, "Hey, that guy shot someone - get him!" and he decided to get him. Whether he thought is was because his rifle was jammed, he was done killing, he was out of ammo, or whatever I have no idea, but I don't buy that he couldn't muster up the guts to pull the trigger after he advanced and brought his pistol toward his head seconds after he just killed a dude in front of him.

That said, I have no horse in this race. Kyle lied on the stand, too, and all involved are idiots, per usual, but shooting a guy advancing with a pistol in his hand is self-defense, in my opinion.

But then that pedo wouldn't have taken a well deserved dirt nap! Hero!

Are you this disgusting in real life?

He's trolling the troll.

A Meta-Troll.

You stated they have a weak case for murder. Find more appropriate charges. Jury is allowed to consider lesser charges. I haven’t followed that closely and not sure what other charges are appropriate. Amazed how invested people are in the outcome. What you have imo are a lot of douche bags, 3 with criminal records, involved with criminal activity.

Rosenbaum was a convicted felon with a long criminal record, Huber had convictions for disorderly conduct and domestic abuse. Grosskreutz DUI/illegal possession of a firearm, accusations of domestic abuse. Rittenhouse a 17 year old toting around an AR-15. Kenosha violence was rampant and all these clowns wanted in on the action. How any of these folks are symbolic of a cause is beyond me. They’re low life riff raff doing low life riff raff ****.

3 disgusting criminals and one American hero!! People like lagtight come off as total losers defending pedophiles!

Anyone who thinks TittyBang is trolling would do well to remember that he is a diehard Trump bootlicker who likes to get face-slapped with the orange toadstool.

At the risk of appearing to take you seriously, who is defending pedophiles? Arguing that a convicted pedophile has a right to not be murdered isn't defending pedophiles, but rather is bringing an alleged murderer to justice.

I suppose you could, but it’s sort of odd to deflect away to these guys who haven’t been charged with anything in the Rittenhouse thread. I get why you guys are doing it, but it’s still goofy.

Not gonna lie this is very suspect. You are gross

There is absolutely nothing admirable with what Kyle did. It's also a glaring mental illness on his behalf to want to risk killing himself or killing someone else in another city in these circumstances.

But I guess, if you forced me into Kyle's position all the way up to the final second before he fired, I would have also unloaded because I'm pretty sure I would have been killed.

this

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I think there is a Jerry Springer aspect to this that attracts people. In the next episode, we'll find out if Kyle is the father.

I agree with rickroll* (don't know if he and I ever agreed before now) that this is spot on.

*edit: and campfirewest (he and I have agreed before)

It is best to analyze these scenarios with the fairly evident assumption that none of the involved have any clue what they are doing or any kind of situational awareness.

You’re seeing incompetent split second decisions under extreme levels of stress, which are extremely dangerous when weapons are involved.

Unfortunately, due to the thing unfolding along deep political divides, a lot people need the involved parties to be heroes or villains. The political rhetoric they are comfortable with makes this a necessity.

That idiots with firearms also have political opinions, and that this doesn’t necessarily reflect on anybody else seems to be lost on some.

I agree with this. FYI, I don't find Rittenhouse to be a hero in any respect. His being there that night was both foolish and dangerous.

On the evidence I've seen from trial (plus the pedo bit, which was not in evidence), Rosenbaum does seem like a villain.

Kyle would never be threatened for his life if he showed up with his 2 bare hands.

Kyle came to antagonize under the guile of defending property.

Why else do these clowns strap AR-15 to show off? They are LARPing but with real guns.

I saw elements of this back when I played paintball, some dudes just loved to dress up and show off. They would spend money to look as closely as possible to real life squat teams. They would modify their paintball guns to look as closely as possible to real assault rifles. Well here was the golden opportunity to show off. Bunch of losers.

The laws of the land though will set Kyle free because he did feel in danger for his life. Accountability all the way up 30 mins before the incident doesn't exist.