....that can be run as a automatic. An ArmaLite Rifle cannot.

Don't underestimate the power of a picture. Or in this case motion picture.

It's good to be back with the YouTube's u know my bro man mate? I just figured out how to circumvent the new system which doesn't allow me to embed videos. Now I just quote post old YouTube links a d it feels like a big relief, trust me, it felt like my freedom of expression was taken away.

So I looked into this subject and it interesting, really interesting what's going on in the states.
If I see a guy with a ar 15 I run asap as far away as possible. In fact out of shooting range.

Yeah variance is killing me right now, so I take a break at politics how is it going brother mate?

I learned from the video that the AR 15 is the light version for the public, same company imo as the M16.
The AR 15 is also the most popular among mass shooters in the US. So I think they need to rethink. If a 17 year old can get access anyone can.

Yes it is.

It was fully established without what he did two weeks before. Like, it was scripted for maximum confidence like a ****ing Steven King novel.

Rittenhouse and the dudes he blasted turned out be the exact type of people that I would have imagined. We just disagree apparently if you weren't actually sure on the type of person RH was - pretty sure that there are far more people like that than you'd think.

Maybe this is all a psy op.

It seems to me the best prosecution argument is to claim that open-carrying an AR is itself provocation.

The linked piece above about statutory ambiguity is good. It cites back to a UK case in which a statute said that stealing "horses and mares" was a felony. Someone stole a single horse, and the court ruled the theft was not a felony. If I remember correctly, a felony was punishable by death at the time. But the rule that criminal statutes should be strictly applied has been around since then.

Bringing an assault rifle to a bunch of protesting people is of course provocating.

It's deadlier than a tiger. How about bringing a pit bull or tiger to a demonstration or maybe a sword, an axe, maybe bringing acid is allowed too? It's all deadly weapons ffs, everything sharp or deadly has nothing to do in the streets and esp not at demos. Where are we? On a war battlefield? It certainly looks like it. I've only seem similar pictures from Putin's war in Russia. Heavily armed idiots walking the streets, just f great. Let's play war.

I tell u what I think, this alone is an act of violence and should never be allowed, and it isn't around the world. There is a good reason for this. It's called common sense. Only in the USA you are allowed to do this. Like in a banana republic where the people with the most weapons say what's up. With a good government this is a no brainer. Stupid people arguing in the streets over political issues, no guns allowed.

Or else you have sodum and gommorha on earth, anarchy with no rules. You can't have stupid people in mobs wandering the streets with assault rifles. Hellooo?

How is this possible? I know it big business and all hypocrisy,
Huge weapon lobbies and first amendment right. You can be armed, it's America! But that law dates back centuries and is not longer justifiable and is 100% against any common sense.

Why didn't Obama change this when he had the chance? I thought he meant change.
I don't have to ask you why uncle Joey is not doing anything. He can't, even if he could he is too old for the job. Wtf are the USA doing, you tell me out of all brightest people in the US you choose trump and Joe.


Anyways can anyone fill me in here please? Or does nobody else wonder why are they chasing a teenager with an assault rifle? That was not exactly a good idea, was it? So why they did it? That is againt everything what i would call sound or rational, responsible behaviour. Thats straight up suicidal isn't it? Or is the sight of a gun so common now, in the US that they didn't notice it?

It's simply a different culture. I spent quite a bit of time in rural Vermont and it is not unusual during hunting season to see people with rifles. With the nearest police 12 miles away, we had a shotgun and a rifle in the house, which struck us as wholly normal. I'm not justifying it; merely describing it.

I understand and remember now. Yeah the hunters... But wasn't there a law not to open carry guns?
And why at demos, it just baffles my mind how they can be that stupid and allow it.
Allow people to hunt, there is a good reason to have a rifle, not am AR 15 though.
The only purpose of bringing a rifle to a demo is shooting the other party, humans.

Yeah I understand. But this guy was no hunter, he was a 17y old idiot who wanted to have some adventure and possibly shoot some people.

These hunters are good people. ( most of them imo) Some are very mellow and would never point a gun at a human. They have a good cause to have guns. They are not on tilt and aggravated and not in mass argument with other parties. This amount of power should never be in the hands of a raging mob.

Yes, owning a firearm at home in rural Vermont seems entirely equivalent to bringing a rifle to a heated protest rally in a large city, excellent point.

Open carry regulations vary from state to state; AFAIK there is no federal rule other than banning machine guns and the like.

My mom, who taught graduate school, was hounded by a former student stalker for several years, starting when I was eleven -- and that psycho showed up at our house three times. This obviously presents very different problems than KR's situation, but I can understand the need for firearms in that situation.

Our intrepid hero was just innocently out looking for deer and that pedo came right at him out of nowhere.

I understand the need for guns in rural areas for hunting and protection. But not for cities and not at demos.

Sorry to hear that story about your mother. Here in Germany we too have stalkers. But our stalkers are relatively harmless and def a almost never kill anyone. Am happy to pull out some stats on this. It's a pain in the butt to deal with them I know. They are mentally unstable people and belong in an institution or so some has to take care of them.

OK

Bummer, but OK.

Then why do you think it's a relevant thing to bring up?


Howard, I've lived for a long time in areas with an active gun/hunting culture. I have buddies that hunt. Patrolling around town with a rifle and being a neighborhood vigilante is not ****ing normal at all. Every hunter bro I know would call that dangerous and stupid. Dropping your teenage son off in a riot with an AR-15 is not a normal part of American gun culture. It's kind of insulting that you thought you could bullshit us all with this. Maybe some of the Euros reading the thread might say "Oh I guess that's how it is in America," but no one who actually lives here is buying this "oh it's a different culture" shtick.

Yeah, the whole "oh, that's just what normal hunting culture is like" line does kind of beg the question of *what* exactly Kyle was hunting.

I feel like this is getting derailed by weird Youtube clips and this discussion regarding hunting. KR and friends obviously took the guns to the scene of the protests as a show of force in their counter-protest and to "protect businesses." Apparently it is legal in Wisconsin to do this. I don't think the whole "Hunting culture? You mean he was there to hunt people?! OMG!!!" thing that some of you are alluding to is in good faith.

This evidence was not allowed at trial for being more prejudicial than probative, I assume. Still, that doesn't mean we can't draw certain inferences from it. Specifically, I don't think the inference that KR saw himself as some Charles Bronson type vigilante "cleaning up the streets" is particularly far-fetched. Whether you want to call that "hunting" or not is semantics, IMO.



Video is pretty shitty quality, but here is a better version on the *vomits* nypost site:

https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/kyle-r...kenosha-video/

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I the way “protect businesses” is in scare quotes here.

Oh Donk JR you completely miss my point bro. All i said was that hunters have a reason to carry open guns, which is to hunt. What reason did Kyle have?

I think Howard brought a good point, It's a complete different culture. But other culture deal better with riots and demos.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't think the people who antagonised/provoked/threatened/assaulted him should get off scot free either. But they kinda didn't, they're dead.

What point did I miss? We all know that he didn't have a gun there that night for hunting purposes. He and his friends had their guns there that night for their right-wing counter-protest and to agitate the libs. This is apparently legal in Wisconsin.

I personally don't believe he went there with the intent of shooting up the place, unlike the Vegas shooter, which you for some reason believe is a good analogy.

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Occasionally neglected facts in this discussion.

I suspect the bolded is true, but I'm not close to 100% on it.

He wasn't there to take videos with his phone like Andy Ngo. He was literally carrying an AR to a riot!