That was one. I think you will find he spoke plenty, and the voters listened after SC and voted for him (nobody dropped out before that one imo) and he took that momentum and cruised. Yes, other candidates f'd Bernie as well. The fact is, as the field narrowed, Biden did better in debates. The 1 on 1 structure is what Biden is used to and historically good at. He handled debates so far, he will be fine this Summer. Trump has nothing to run on anyways. "We did more for Black unemployment..." I mean that line doesn work with unemployment at 20%.

We all can "see it" meaning it is possible.
Really, it could? Can you "see it'? Very meaningful.

But you know what someone told me the other day, "Everything happens for a reason". Think about it.

i dont know why this irritates me so much lol.

Sorry to irritate you, but anyone that thinks things happen for a reason needs to get their head out of the clouds and rejoin the rest of us back in reality.

Yes, the future is hard to predict. But I doubt business will be willing to invest and rehire until we have a vaccine. Your sense or notions really don't mean anything to me. Nothing personal, but everybody knows what you are saying. It could be good, it could be bad. Unemployment might rise, it might be 20%, it might not be. The market might crash, it might not.

Nobody has lived through a massive shut down both domestically and world wide. Nobody knows how long it will last. Will the $600 or $2000 matter? will we need more? Nobody knows how this CV will react. Will it fade massively over the Summer, will it not, will it come back in Oct. will we got some treatment for it. Will be just be overwhelmed and be f'd. Nobody knows. Nobody knows the nuances of the modern economy. Our service and consumer driven society, our new gig economy or whatever they call it.

Most people don't follow the market as closely as I do. Anyways, I hope you are right.

I found "nobody can predict the future" as trite as "everything happens for a reason" so that was the joke.

(although to confess...i do "believe" in karma. I know, not as cool as you camus)

One is most probably factual and the other one is most definitely not. I don't view "believing" as cool or uncool. It's just absurd.

Sure bro. You know what is factual on a really deep level. Between following the market and posting, your wisdom is legendary.

Ya, a bunch of conservatives who like war and the police state voted for him, so proud.

black people are conservative war mongering police state lovers? Is everybody in this fin thread delusional? oh well isn't this forum going under anyways? this new format or something...sounds like a bunch of bs.

wtf the 'dnc'? you saying FL voters, aka repubs, are going to be happy with DeSantis in ~4-5 weeks?
DeSantis will get roasted when the covid #'s go up, up, up, in FL, the death rate for all the retirees hits the ceiling, and FL's health system is overloaded;
What does he do then? genuflect and kiss the ring to get ventilators?
DeSantis has only one hope; that covid is actually seasonal; i guess he is a true believer in 'it will magically disappear'.

Yeah, black people aren’t your generalized notions about them.

The black ppl that voted for Biden seem to be considering ya know they voted for Biden

Can’t be a centrist without also being some degree of conservative. One might even wonder if you are what you comprise with?

Biden was cool with Obama. Obama is black. The gop is racist. Black people suffer from racism. Sometimes it's the obvious answer. They trust Joe Biden. Well of course anatta, the black people trust Biden because he is conservative and loves war like they do, I know as a white man, a radical, what is best besides why do you think they are so monolithic, they want war and are conservatives, duh. Look, like I said, this forum has lost it's mind.

Yes that is what I mean, but I wasn't being sarcastic. I was describing what I take to be victor's viewpoint.

Black people trust Joe Biden because of Obama. Old people are scared too. They trust Joe Biden because they have known him for decades. He's Joe Fin Biden. He isn't scary. A lot of other people trust Joe Biden as the most likely to beat Trump.

And I totally get not voting for Biden vs Trump. If you are a true progressive or socialist or w/e, f it, f em both. I am voting for Biden, but what do I know. I hate Trump. What can I say, I am not proud of that, but I hate what he did to the country, and the chaos and cruelty in the immigration system. I hate that the russians are encouraged to be involved in our political discourse and the MAGA's and Putin and Fox work together to divide this country. F that

But if your philosophy is "enough, let it burn"...hey man fwiw i cant argue with you and you might be right.

I have a case right now, 24 yr old law student, africa, picked up at demonstration, tortured, picked up again, same thing, made it to Mexico. Sought entry in May, CBP said wait for your number, he waited, he is a runner and has contacts here, he could have jumped, but he obeyed the law. Then they change the law, https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content..._id=0000001026, say anyone seeking asylum after this date has to seek asylum in a country he passed through first. In Sept they let him in. They tell him, yeah too late bro. He is like yeah but I came here in May...he has been detained for 7 months now, on the eve of his trial they transferred him and govt moved to change venue.

So now I look at CV-19 cases or the stock market and think wow that is bad, knowing on some level, what is bad and tragic might increases this dude's (and thousands like him, and millions of other migrants) chances by a fraction of a percent because maybe Trump loses if we see enough misery over the next few months.

No, this is not obvious. It is in fact both possible and even rationally coherent to support those policies and vote for Biden. Thus, we shouldn't assume based on the primary results that people don't actually support those policies or, if they really do support those policies, that the primary results are inaccurate.

For instance, this YouGov survey from Feb 23-25 shows of people who intend to vote in the Democratic primary that 65% think winning the general is more important compared to only 35% who think voting for a nominee who agrees with their position on most issues is more important. It is coherent to both support free college and M4A and vote for Biden because you think he is most electable and you place more weight on electibility.

And of course, even if issues are most important to them, just because they support some of Bernie's policies doesn't mean that they prefer his policies to Biden's overall. Perhaps they like other aspects of Biden's policy portfolio more than Bernie's (eg maybe they don't like Bernie's foreign policy).

Only if you've never been involved in campaign decision-making. Policy can drive some votes, but there are typically more important aspects to messaging. There's nothing surprising about voters not voting for a candidate even if they support some of his policies over his opponent.

I don't really agree with this view of the party. Major corporations have always had lots of influence over the Democratic Party.

I mean, having this much certainty about a statement like this is helpful for people in calibrating your level of insight.

I overgeneralized. I think Fox News in particular has a huge impact on government, because it has so much direct influence over the president.

More precisely, my claim is not that the media doesn't affect the narrative and narrative doesn't impact people's views and attitudes, but rather that narrative has an overrated impact on political and government decisions and actions. My view is that popular opinion can act as a brake on a lot of issues, but rarely is successful in driving action, and so proximate causes for political/government change is more typically the result of changes in the views of elites.

Yes. Most of the Democrats I talk to regularly about politics are members in Democratic clubs, staffers, activists, etc.

Why should I think that class consciousness is the default consciousness of politics rather than gender consciousness or racial consciousness?

Or should be?

Costs-consciousness asks so many varieties of the same questions. What about the costs? How are you gonna pay for it?

The same questions some people who are sick or may become sick might ask, interestingly enough.

So we should assume people are stupid.

And there is no insight involved in my opinion. Just direct observation.