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05-19-2021 , 09:44 AM
So Biden was going to be tough on Russia yet removes sanctions so Russia can complete the Nordstrom 2 pipeline

He does this after
  • Cancelling Keystone
  • Tough on Russia
  • Champion of Climate Change
  • Shortly after Russian Hackers shut down US Pipeline

If Trump had done this Rachel Maddow would have declared him a Russian Agent again

Please do not use the excuse he did it for Germany as he he didn't care about Canada or US jobs when he shut down Keystone
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05-19-2021 , 12:21 PM
Policy on Israel has long been a source of division on the left; definitely feels like this could be a major turning point.

Biden dramatically scales up the pressure on Netanyahu as decades-long relationship faces its most consequential moment


Just two months ago Jared Kushner wrote "We are witnessing the last vestiges of what has been known as the Arab-Israeli conflict" in a piece hyping up the Trump middle East peace plan which was largely just bribing a few Muslim/Arab countries to open travel and relations with Israel. His claim was that people hadn't made progress because they were focused on the irrelevant issue of the Palestinians. Kushner reminds me of Jim Dolan. He's obviously an idiot, but he seems to get unlucky also.
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05-19-2021 , 05:42 PM
How about that worker shortage ? Went to rent a car in Vegas and waited 3 hours in line
They only had 2 workers available , the manager handled me and immediately apologizes for the way , he said there was 33 positions and only 3 applications .
So let’s raise taxes on employers and continue giving unemployment benefits and pay people to stay home

I own a hospitality business too and offering start up bonuses and still short staffed. Every bar owner or restaurant owner that I know has to either pay people cash or can’t find anyone which clearly hurts the tax revenue

But we should be ok right ???
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05-19-2021 , 06:41 PM
Seems workers simply need to be paid more with that dynamic. Welcome to the marketplace? Kind of makes it weird when people still blame immigrants for taking all the jobs, doesn't it?

In general, well run companies will adapt and be ok. No idea on your company.

All the best.
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05-19-2021 , 09:07 PM
The marketplace is being distorted by these unemployment benefits. If the money was given as a UBI then many people would take the jobs to add to their income. As it if you take the job you lose the unemployment income. A UBI would be better in this case.
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05-20-2021 , 11:10 AM
when free market capitalism means having to pay workers more WE DONT LIKE IT....


like the meme says, if your workers are making more on unemployment than at their job, you aren't an employer you are an exploiter..
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05-20-2021 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CHRONICFEVER
How about that worker shortage ? Went to rent a car in Vegas and waited 3 hours in line
They only had 2 workers available , the manager handled me and immediately apologizes for the way , he said there was 33 positions and only 3 applications .
So let’s raise taxes on employers and continue giving unemployment benefits and pay people to stay home

I own a hospitality business too and offering start up bonuses and still short staffed. Every bar owner or restaurant owner that I know has to either pay people cash or can’t find anyone which clearly hurts the tax revenue

But we should be ok right ???
So no one wants to risk covid for 2 bucks an hour and no benefits ?

I'm shocked.
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05-20-2021 , 11:25 AM
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The marketplace is being distorted by these unemployment benefits. If the money was given as a UBI then many people would take the jobs to add to their income. As it if you take the job you lose the unemployment income. A UBI would be better in this case.
Well if this is true you'll have solid data making the case soon as multiple states are opting out of the enhanced UE benefits program.
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05-20-2021 , 11:55 AM
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The marketplace is being distorted by these unemployment benefits. If the money was given as a UBI then many people would take the jobs to add to their income. As it if you take the job you lose the unemployment income. A UBI would be better in this case.
I agree that instead turning in to short term UBI would be beneficial.

Even if it is not a problem/situation as described by Republicans, having the ability to 'double up' for a period of time... to get that money on top of pay would be a powerful enticement for many to try and get that short benefit of having much more money than most have ever have for a period that could really then allow them to pay off other priorities rather than just subsisting.
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05-20-2021 , 01:20 PM
I know it's fun to meme on any talk about debt or deficits, but I do wonder where people think those unemployment benefits come from.

Would it be incorrect to assume that you particularly spicy lefties would prefer that we move to an entirely single-payer economy? Why stop at healthcare?

The other thing people seem to ignore is that unemployment benefits aren't actually supposed to be used as payment to do nothing. To participate in the program, aren't you obligated to provide evidence that you've been actively seeking a job? How many people on unemployment are simply defrauding the system entirely? There are countless available jobs right now that are paying $15/hr+, which is what we're told is the benchmark for a livable wage.

What happens in September when the spigot turns off?

How many of you are chilling at home collecting unemployment right now?
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05-20-2021 , 02:31 PM
I guess you tell us whats gonna happen in Sept. We had the largest shock to the labor market in history and we've had some recovery. Poverty rates actually went down largely due to the CARES Act. Over the last 20 years, labor force participation has never returned to previous levels after a recession (tech bust and 08) and I think that might happen again. Beyond that, who knows?
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05-20-2021 , 02:49 PM
Keep in mind with schools not open some parents choosing unemployment benefits over working as someone has to look after their kids
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05-20-2021 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I know it's fun to meme on any talk about debt or deficits, but I do wonder where people think those unemployment benefits come from.

Would it be incorrect to assume that you particularly spicy lefties would prefer that we move to an entirely single-payer economy? Why stop at healthcare?

The other thing people seem to ignore is that unemployment benefits aren't actually supposed to be used as payment to do nothing. To participate in the program, aren't you obligated to provide evidence that you've been actively seeking a job? How many people on unemployment are simply defrauding the system entirely? There are countless available jobs right now that are paying $15/hr+, which is what we're told is the benchmark for a livable wage.

What happens in September when the spigot turns off?

How many of you are chilling at home collecting unemployment right now?
If you had a job you'd know where the UI benefits come from.

My question is where did all the Wall St bail out money come from. Somehow the dumb conservatives only count nickles when they're coming their way. When they're being siphoned up to their masters they just chew their cud and fart.
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05-20-2021 , 07:43 PM
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when free market capitalism means having to pay workers more WE DONT LIKE IT....


like the meme says, if your workers are making more on unemployment than at their job, you aren't an employer you are an exploiter..
I don't exploit low-skilled workers often. But when I do I choose to do it to give the money to high-skilled workers so they don't go to work for my competitors or go into competition against me.
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05-20-2021 , 08:31 PM
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If you had a job you'd know where the UI benefits come from.

My question is where did all the Wall St bail out money come from. Somehow the dumb conservatives only count nickles when they're coming their way. When they're being siphoned up to their masters they just chew their cud and fart.

Wasn't the wall street bailout under Obama? Though I do agree the GOP only cares about fiscal responsibility when they are not in power
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05-21-2021 , 07:24 AM
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Wasn't the wall street bailout under Obama? Though I do agree the GOP only cares about fiscal responsibility when they are not in power
Sure. And he was a conservative. He bragged he governed as a republican.

That's why the banks did well, the customers (chattel) got screwed and the wealth gap increased during a sluggish recovery.

But no worries, nothing will fundamentally change.
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05-21-2021 , 11:53 AM
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If you had a job you'd know where the UI benefits come from.
Great, except it's literally my responsibility to manage our employer account.

This is what you see when logging into the online account to submit wage reports and pay your balance:



Employers are also not responsible for payment of benefits if an employee quits, but the government has been paying those benefits out anyway during the pandemic. I had several fact-finding interviews with Wisconsin DWD regarding one of our guys who quit to get the band back together in Feb 2020. Through no fault of his own, COVID hit and his rekindled fire for music was snuffed out by force. He applied for and was granted unemployment benefits initially charged on our account. He had assumed because he quit, he wouldn't get benefits so he made up some bullshit about us forcing him out. The last I saw, his benefits were ultimately approved, but it's not coming out of our account.

I have another employee who is a recently divorced single dad of 2 young kids and lockdown has absolutely destroyed his life. The ex is a shitbag and he has primary custody. He's getting partial unemployment benefits to make up for the hours he's missing due to the chaos and those aren't being charged against our account, either.

So yeah, right now a lot of this money is just being magick'd into existence and there's no end in sight.

Somehow I don't think it's going to be paid back with interest like the bank bailouts were.
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05-21-2021 , 12:45 PM
All of the money that was given under Trump and continues now to Corporations as 'Pandemic Relief Loans' are forgivable and no one is expecting to pay any of it back.
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05-21-2021 , 12:56 PM
Businesses are generally safer bets. When corporate tax rates go back up, they can tax the PPP "loans" back out of us. The guy sitting on his couch in a pile of Dorito dust isn't producing anything that can be taxed.
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05-21-2021 , 02:14 PM
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Businesses are generally safer bets. When corporate tax rates go back up, they can tax the PPP "loans" back out of us. The guy sitting on his couch in a pile of Dorito dust isn't producing anything that can be taxed.
You mean like the guy who can't handle his wife and is on half pay ?

If you want to claw some of our money back I suggest looking into military spending and stop being a busybody worrying about who you think should get what based on nothing.

Businesses suck up plenty of tax dollars and don't give any back.
Hell, in the case of big pharma they literally get rich off of government research funded by you and me and then extort us with high prices.

Complaining about the government is an American pass time.
Complaining about the things they do that may help you one day is just idiotic.
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05-21-2021 , 02:16 PM
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All of the money that was given under Trump and continues now to Corporations as 'Pandemic Relief Loans' are forgivable and no one is expecting to pay any of it back.
That was classic. All that money was targeted for small businesses and the big dogs got the tip from Trump and sucked it up.

No whining from the right wing faux Christian brigade. It's as if they can't think for themselves and just repeat what they hear on tv. lol
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05-21-2021 , 03:16 PM
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If you want to claw some of our money back I suggest looking into military spending and stop being a busybody worrying about who you think should get what based on nothing.
Most of that military spending ultimately ends up as wages somewhere. The people who ***** about military spending vs straight handout checks aren't making a fair comparison and people like me will roll their eyes at you 100% of the time.

Exchanging your time and effort for money is how it should work.

If you can no longer work because the public schools shut down and you have to play teacher, that's another thing entirely.

What we don't need is people refusing $15/hr jobs because they can get $17/hr for sitting at home due to the artificially high unemployment benefits that were never intended for them. That extra money each week was a bandaid solution to the people who were forced home from jobs that paid well above $15/hr. I don't begrudge the people who are abusing the system in the short term. If I could make more than I do now by chilling at home I just might. But where's the value? It could be that America is special and we are immune to the effects of hyperinflation. All those airplanes you're mad about us having might come in handy when our chickens come home to roost.
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05-21-2021 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Businesses are generally safer bets. When corporate tax rates go back up, they can tax the PPP "loans" back out of us. The guy sitting on his couch in a pile of Dorito dust isn't producing anything that can be taxed.
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05-21-2021 , 04:44 PM
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Most of that military spending ultimately ends up as wages somewhere. The people who ***** about military spending vs straight handout checks aren't making a fair comparison and people like me will roll their eyes at you 100% of the time.

Exchanging your time and effort for money is how it should work.

If you can no longer work because the public schools shut down and you have to play teacher, that's another thing entirely.

What we don't need is people refusing $15/hr jobs because they can get $17/hr for sitting at home due to the artificially high unemployment benefits that were never intended for them. That extra money each week was a bandaid solution to the people who were forced home from jobs that paid well above $15/hr. I don't begrudge the people who are abusing the system in the short term. If I could make more than I do now by chilling at home I just might. But where's the value? It could be that America is special and we are immune to the effects of hyperinflation. All those airplanes you're mad about us having might come in handy when our chickens come home to roost.

It's temporary because of the pandemic. God you're a jealous little crybaby.

Anyway, the 'value' in that is that those people can pay slum lords like you and keep a roof over their head.

Guns or butter. You man-boy types like tanks and planes. I remember when Trump was playing on the fire truck. But when you spend all your money on war you tend to run a big debt and when you need it for boring things like food or building roads your SOL.

Life is mostly boring. No matter how cool you think army men are.
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05-21-2021 , 05:24 PM
I think a simple "no u" would've been about as effective as the word salad you ended up with there.

So you're one of the couch commandos then? Get a job, son.
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